00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: Evan_Wallace, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Alan_Ruttenberg, MarkusK_, mschneid (muted), IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), Rinke (muted), msmith, Zhe (muted), Ivan, Sandro, elisa, Christine, bmotik
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Jie Bao, Achille Fokoue
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17:54:08 <ewallace> Zakim, this will be owlwg
Evan Wallace: Zakim, this will be owlwg ←
17:54:08 <Zakim> ok, ewallace; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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17:54:49 <ewallace> RRSAgent, make records public
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17:56:44 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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17:57:49 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
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17:58:18 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is here? ←
17:58:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Evan_Wallace, Peter_Patel-Schneider
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17:58:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, schneid, Rinke, alanr, IanH, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, schneid, Rinke, alanr, IanH, sandro, ewallace, trackbot ←
17:59:14 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
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17:59:54 <Zakim> +??P13
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18:04:20 <ewallace> scribenick: bcuencagrau
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18:04:27 <Zakim> +Sandro
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18:04:50 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:04:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Evan_Wallace, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Alan_Ruttenberg, MarkusK_, schneid (muted), IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), Rinke (muted), msmith, Zhe (muted), Ivan, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Evan_Wallace, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Alan_Ruttenberg, MarkusK_, schneid (muted), IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), Rinke (muted), msmith, Zhe (muted), Ivan, Sandro ←
18:04:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Christine, ivan, Zhe, msmith, bcuencagrau, Rinke, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, schneid, alanr, IanH, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Christine, ivan, Zhe, msmith, bcuencagrau, Rinke, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, schneid, alanr, IanH, sandro, ewallace, trackbot ←
18:05:05 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:05:10 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:05:12 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:05:12 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
00:00:00 <bcuencagrau> Topic: Admin
18:05:17 <bcuencagrau> alanr: agenda amendments?
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Alan Ruttenberg: agenda amendments? ←
18:05:35 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:35 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
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18:05:36 <bcuencagrau> schneid: I would like to say something about the status of RDF smeantics
Michael Schneider: I would like to say something about the status of RDF smeantics ←
18:05:49 <Zakim> +??P8
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18:05:57 <msmith> the minutes looked ok to me.
Mike Smith: the minutes looked ok to me. ←
18:05:57 <bcuencagrau> alanr: minuets accepted?
Alan Ruttenberg: minuets accepted? ←
18:05:58 <pfps> The minutes look acceptable.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The minutes look acceptable. ←
18:06:07 <schneid> minutes were helpful to find back... :)
Michael Schneider: minutes were helpful to find back... :) ←
18:06:09 <bcuencagrau> alanr: minutes accepted
Alan Ruttenberg: minutes accepted ←
18:06:20 <bcuencagrau> alanr: action items
Alan Ruttenberg: action items ←
18:06:21 <Christine> zakim, ??P8 is christine
Christine Golbreich: zakim, ??P8 is christine ←
18:06:21 <Zakim> +christine; got it
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18:06:35 <bcuencagrau> alanr: F2F registration
Alan Ruttenberg: F2F registration ←
18:07:16 <pfps> q+
18:07:28 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:07:49 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, unmute me
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18:08:01 <bcuencagrau> Action 252
18:08:01 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
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18:08:10 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, unmute me
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18:08:10 <Zakim> bcuencagrau was not muted, bcuencagrau
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18:08:16 <bcuencagrau> alanr: action 252
18:08:35 <bcuencagrau> pfps: we should tell to people inmediately what the name could be
Peter Patel-Schneider: we should tell to people inmediately what the name could be ←
18:08:41 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:08:48 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
18:09:22 <pfps> the name for the date/time XML datatype has been determined
Peter Patel-Schneider: the name for the date/time XML datatype has been determined ←
18:09:28 <bcuencagrau> ianH: if the docs are approved as it is, we could have a list of changes after last call
Ian Horrocks: if the docs are approved as it is, we could have a list of changes after last call ←
18:09:32 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:09:51 <bcuencagrau> alanr: we could use the wiki only for editor comments
Alan Ruttenberg: we could use the wiki only for editor comments ←
18:10:07 <bcuencagrau> alanr: so that they can be collected
Alan Ruttenberg: so that they can be collected ←
18:10:16 <bcuencagrau> sandro: better not use the wiki commnets
Sandro Hawke: better not use the wiki commnets ←
18:10:33 <bcuencagrau> alanr: they are not very readable
Alan Ruttenberg: they are not very readable ←
18:11:21 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we should make it clear to editors that this is the process
Ian Horrocks: we should make it clear to editors that this is the process ←
18:11:36 <bcuencagrau> pfps: so edits have to indicate if they make any change to the docs
Peter Patel-Schneider: so edits have to indicate if they make any change to the docs ←
18:11:55 <schneid> RDF-Based Semantics has a list of changes which is updated regularly, and revised at the end <http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/RDF-Based_Semantics#Changelog>
Michael Schneider: RDF-Based Semantics has a list of changes which is updated regularly, and revised at the end <http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/RDF-Based_Semantics#Changelog> ←
18:12:16 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
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18:12:16 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
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18:12:24 <pfps> I'll change Syntax accordingly.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll change Syntax accordingly. ←
18:12:44 <alanr> action: pfps to implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination
ACTION: pfps to implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination ←
18:12:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - Implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2009-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-261 - Implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2009-01-14]. ←
18:12:45 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we should be a bit more prescriptive in the way docs are changed
Ian Horrocks: we should be a bit more prescriptive in the way docs are changed ←
18:13:01 <Zakim> + +1.650.960.aadd
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18:13:03 <pfps> I agree
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree ←
18:13:09 <bcuencagrau> ianH: at this point changes should not be made unless we discuss them first
Ian Horrocks: at this point changes should not be made unless we discuss them first ←
18:13:34 <bcuencagrau> sandro: even for typos?
Sandro Hawke: even for typos? ←
18:13:47 <bcuencagrau> ianH: no, only for more substantial changes
Ian Horrocks: no, only for more substantial changes ←
18:13:58 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:14:06 <Zakim> -Rinke
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18:14:31 <bcuencagrau> sandro: we should be able to clearly identify the changes since last call
Sandro Hawke: we should be able to clearly identify the changes since last call ←
18:15:06 <sandro> identify and http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/Response_Protocol
Sandro Hawke: identify and http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/Response_Protocol ←
18:15:06 <bcuencagrau> alanr: action 255
18:15:13 <elisa> zakim, ??aadd is me
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18:15:13 <Zakim> sorry, elisa, I do not recognize a party named '??aadd'
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18:15:18 <sandro> action-255?
18:15:18 <trackbot> ACTION-255 -- Sandro Hawke to write wiki page on mailing-list behavior guidelines during last call -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-255 -- Sandro Hawke to write wiki page on mailing-list behavior guidelines during last call -- due 2008-12-10 -- OPEN ←
18:15:18 <trackbot> http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/255
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/255 ←
18:15:21 <sandro> action-255 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-255 closed ←
18:15:21 <trackbot> ACTION-255 Write wiki page on mailing-list behavior guidelines during last call closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-255 Write wiki page on mailing-list behavior guidelines during last call closed ←
18:15:37 <bcuencagrau> alanr: action 260
18:15:39 <elisa> zakim, +1.650.960.aadd is me
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18:15:39 <Zakim> +elisa; got it
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18:16:08 <Zakim> +??P15
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18:16:20 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I consider my action done
Sandro Hawke: I consider my action done ←
18:16:24 <Rinke> zakim, +??P15 is me
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18:16:46 <Rinke> zakim, ??P15 is me
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18:16:46 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
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18:16:57 <bcuencagrau> end of action status
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18:17:07 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
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18:17:13 <bcuencagrau> Soliciting reviews of and/or comments on LC documents
Soliciting reviews of and/or comments on LC documents ←
18:17:15 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:17:25 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
18:17:59 <bcuencagrau> ianH: if we haven't got comments, we should encourage people to make comments
Ian Horrocks: if we haven't got comments, we should encourage people to make comments ←
18:18:06 <bcuencagrau> ianH: should we be worried?
Ian Horrocks: should we be worried? ←
18:18:32 <bcuencagrau> ianH: by next week, if little comes out, we should take some action
Ian Horrocks: by next week, if little comes out, we should take some action ←
18:19:04 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:19:17 <bcuencagrau> sandro: sometimes comments we do not happen because people have not read the docs
Sandro Hawke: sometimes comments we do not happen because people have not read the docs ←
18:19:27 <bcuencagrau> ianH: waht about comments within the WG?
Ian Horrocks: waht about comments within the WG? ←
18:19:54 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I don't know
Sandro Hawke: I don't know ←
18:20:27 <bcuencagrau> ianH: comments from industry members may be valuable
Ian Horrocks: comments from industry members may be valuable ←
18:20:43 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:20:43 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:20:43 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:20:45 <bcuencagrau> sandro: for that, we can wait until rec stage
Sandro Hawke: for that, we can wait until rec stage ←
18:21:31 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: there have been some comments but not using the official route
Michael Schneider: there have been some comments but not using the official route ←
18:22:08 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:22:28 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: there were some discussions and something came out from them
Michael Schneider: there were some discussions and something came out from them ←
18:22:44 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: but these people didn't comment officially
Michael Schneider: but these people didn't comment officially ←
18:22:48 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
18:22:52 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:22:58 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: should we rise the comments on behalf of these people?
Michael Schneider: should we rise the comments on behalf of these people? ←
18:23:15 <bcuencagrau> ianH; we can ask these people
ianH; we can ask these people ←
18:24:01 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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18:24:20 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:20 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:24:26 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:24:26 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
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18:24:26 <bcuencagrau> alanr: we might emphasizr that comments are very important for us
Alan Ruttenberg: we might emphasizr that comments are very important for us ←
18:24:52 <bcuencagrau> alanr: F2F5
Alan Ruttenberg: F2F5 ←
18:25:10 <bcuencagrau> alanr:please confirm your attendance status
Alan Ruttenberg: please confirm your attendance status ←
18:25:10 <alanr> http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F5_People
Alan Ruttenberg: http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F5_People ←
18:25:20 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:25:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:43 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:25:43 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:25:48 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:25:54 <schneid> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jan/0000.html
Michael Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jan/0000.html ←
18:26:07 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: there are some new US entry regulations
Michael Schneider: there are some new US entry regulations ←
18:26:30 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: please, be careful
Michael Schneider: please, be careful ←
18:26:31 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:26:31 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
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18:26:41 <IanH> I filled it recently (voluntarily) and it was pretty light-weight (I got an "instant" OK response)
Ian Horrocks: I filled it recently (voluntarily) and it was pretty light-weight (I got an "instant" OK response) ←
18:27:07 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2008Dec/0000.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2008Dec/0000.html ←
18:27:16 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:27:20 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
00:00:00 <bcuencagrau> Topic: Last Call Comments
18:27:28 <bcuencagrau> ianH: I have looked at alan's email
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Ian Horrocks: I have looked at alan's email ←
18:27:37 <pfps> q+
18:28:28 <bcuencagrau> ianH: they would like to have complex concepts in comments in order to support sanctioning
Ian Horrocks: they would like to have complex concepts in comments in order to support sanctioning ←
18:28:53 <bcuencagrau> ianH: I wouldn't personally want to extend the spec in this direction
Ian Horrocks: I wouldn't personally want to extend the spec in this direction ←
18:28:58 <pfps> q-
18:29:13 <bcuencagrau> ianH: but we could be able to support mechanisms for at least partially support their use case
Ian Horrocks: but we could be able to support mechanisms for at least partially support their use case ←
18:29:38 <bcuencagrau> alanr: somebody should start drafting those mechanisms
Alan Ruttenberg: somebody should start drafting those mechanisms ←
18:30:39 <bcuencagrau> ianH: one way would be to use named concepts for defining the complex concepts they want to use
Ian Horrocks: one way would be to use named concepts for defining the complex concepts they want to use ←
18:30:46 <bcuencagrau> ianH: some problems with that
Ian Horrocks: some problems with that ←
18:31:06 <bcuencagrau> ianH: one could add the definition of the concept as a string
Ian Horrocks: one could add the definition of the concept as a string ←
18:31:25 <bcuencagrau> alanr: do you want to start a page, Ian?
Alan Ruttenberg: do you want to start a page, Ian? ←
18:31:43 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we should use the response page for last call comments
Ian Horrocks: we should use the response page for last call comments ←
18:32:02 <pfps> +1
18:32:44 <bcuencagrau> alanr: could there will be problems with the mapping to RDF?
Alan Ruttenberg: could there will be problems with the mapping to RDF? ←
18:32:50 <pfps> No problem. :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: No problem. :-) ←
18:32:56 <bcuencagrau> ianH; let's Peter and Boris think about it
ianH; let's Peter and Boris think about it ←
18:33:18 <bcuencagrau> pfps: there will be no problems
Peter Patel-Schneider: there will be no problems ←
18:33:51 <bcuencagrau> alanr: no, I meant if we actually wanted to add axioms in the target of annotations
Alan Ruttenberg: no, I meant if we actually wanted to add axioms in the target of annotations ←
18:33:59 <bcuencagrau> pfps: that is a problem
Peter Patel-Schneider: that is a problem ←
18:34:21 <bcuencagrau> ianH: well, problably they just want an unnamed individual introducing a complex concept
Ian Horrocks: well, problably they just want an unnamed individual introducing a complex concept ←
18:34:38 <bcuencagrau> pfps: if it is a class expression, then there should not be a problem
Peter Patel-Schneider: if it is a class expression, then there should not be a problem ←
18:34:49 <bcuencagrau> alanr: what about serializing the axiom as text?
Alan Ruttenberg: what about serializing the axiom as text? ←
18:35:17 <bcuencagrau> pfps: they would just be strings
Peter Patel-Schneider: they would just be strings ←
18:36:25 <bcuencagrau> pfps: we could go and change all documents, but that would be a mess
Peter Patel-Schneider: we could go and change all documents, but that would be a mess ←
18:36:39 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:36:54 <bcuencagrau> ianH: I have already created a page
Ian Horrocks: I have already created a page ←
18:37:10 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we can now start writing our responses
Ian Horrocks: we can now start writing our responses ←
18:37:48 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jan/att-0000/00-part
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jan/att-0000/00-part ←
18:37:55 <bcuencagrau> alanr: Ceil's comments
Alan Ruttenberg: Ceil's comments ←
18:38:09 <bcuencagrau> alanr: have you read it?
Alan Ruttenberg: have you read it? ←
18:38:10 <schneid> this was not really a comment
Michael Schneider: this was not really a comment ←
18:38:30 <bcuencagrau> alanr: i agree with michael
Alan Ruttenberg: i agree with michael ←
18:38:52 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:38:59 <pfps> +1
18:39:12 <schneid> +1, just to let her know that somebody is watching her :)
Michael Schneider: +1, just to let her know that somebody is watching her :) ←
18:39:37 <alanr> Action: alanr to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment
ACTION: alanr to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment ←
18:39:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
18:39:58 <pfps> +1
18:40:02 <pfps> q+
18:40:03 <sandro> ACTION: alan to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment
ACTION: alan to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment ←
18:40:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-262 - to send mail to cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-14]. ←
18:40:22 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:40:27 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:40:45 <bcuencagrau> alanr: the next comment is from Mike Smith
Alan Ruttenberg: the next comment is from Mike Smith ←
18:40:59 <bcuencagrau> pfps: Mike has noticed an error in the reverse mapping
Peter Patel-Schneider: Mike has noticed an error in the reverse mapping ←
18:41:08 <bcuencagrau> pfps: we need to fix it
Peter Patel-Schneider: we need to fix it ←
18:41:24 <bcuencagrau> pfps: i have written an email with the proposed resolution
Peter Patel-Schneider: i have written an email with the proposed resolution ←
18:41:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:57 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
18:42:20 <bcuencagrau> msmith: boris suggested to make it a public comment
Mike Smith: boris suggested to make it a public comment ←
18:42:30 <pfps> q+
18:42:36 <bcuencagrau> msmith: I dind't mean this to me a LC comment, but just a WG issue
Mike Smith: I dind't mean this to me a LC comment, but just a WG issue ←
18:42:44 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:42:56 <bcuencagrau> pfps: it is good to have it as LC comment
Peter Patel-Schneider: it is good to have it as LC comment ←
18:42:56 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:43:12 <bcuencagrau> pfps: it will be easier to track
Peter Patel-Schneider: it will be easier to track ←
18:43:17 <msmith> that's ok by me too.
Mike Smith: that's ok by me too. ←
18:43:25 <bcuencagrau> pfps: we could distinguish them between internal or external
Peter Patel-Schneider: we could distinguish them between internal or external ←
18:43:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:43:57 <bcuencagrau> alanr: next comment
Alan Ruttenberg: next comment ←
18:43:58 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:44:22 <bcuencagrau> ivan: this looks like a potential formal objection
Ivan Herman: this looks like a potential formal objection ←
18:45:11 <Zakim> +??P4
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18:45:13 <bcuencagrau> ivan: there could be problems with RDF and SPARQL implementations
Ivan Herman: there could be problems with RDF and SPARQL implementations ←
18:45:16 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
18:45:16 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
18:45:29 <bcuencagrau> ivan: boris should look at it
Ivan Herman: boris should look at it ←
18:45:30 <alanr> boris, we are discussing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jan/0001.html
Alan Ruttenberg: boris, we are discussing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jan/0001.html ←
18:45:33 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
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18:45:38 <schneid> Andy's comments seems substantial to me, although I did not yet follow it further
Michael Schneider: Andy's comments seems substantial to me, although I did not yet follow it further ←
18:46:06 <bcuencagrau> alanr: how do we handle this LC comment?
Alan Ruttenberg: how do we handle this LC comment? ←
18:46:16 <bcuencagrau> ivan: we should agree on some sort of an answer
Ivan Herman: we should agree on some sort of an answer ←
18:46:38 <bcuencagrau> alanr: we could use the rdf mailing list
Alan Ruttenberg: we could use the rdf mailing list ←
18:46:49 <bcuencagrau> sandro: in order to look for an agreement
Sandro Hawke: in order to look for an agreement ←
18:47:52 <bmotik> I'm sorry, I don't know yet where we are
Boris Motik: I'm sorry, I don't know yet where we are ←
18:48:12 <bcuencagrau> alanr: we could probably postpone this
Alan Ruttenberg: we could probably postpone this ←
18:48:26 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I am on that list
Sandro Hawke: I am on that list ←
18:49:48 <bcuencagrau> alanr: the next one is a comment by Jim
Alan Ruttenberg: the next one is a comment by Jim ←
18:50:05 <bcuencagrau> alanr: mike had a discussion with him
Alan Ruttenberg: mike had a discussion with him ←
18:50:09 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
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18:50:13 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:50:18 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:50:29 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:50:33 <bcuencagrau> schneid: the discussion was on the semantics of keys
Michael Schneider: the discussion was on the semantics of keys ←
18:51:15 <bcuencagrau> schneid: a better explanation was requested in order to avoid confusion with the semantics of keys
Michael Schneider: a better explanation was requested in order to avoid confusion with the semantics of keys ←
18:51:22 <bcuencagrau> schneid: jim was confused
Michael Schneider: jim was confused ←
18:51:34 <bcuencagrau> schneid: some clarification is in order
Michael Schneider: some clarification is in order ←
18:52:01 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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18:52:04 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
18:52:26 <bcuencagrau> ianH: jim was happy about the structure of the language
Ian Horrocks: jim was happy about the structure of the language ←
18:52:42 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:52:46 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we should send him an email to forward his email to the public record
Ian Horrocks: we should send him an email to forward his email to the public record ←
18:52:55 <alanr> ack Christine
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Christine ←
18:53:04 <bcuencagrau> ianH: there should be a LC comment of that form
Ian Horrocks: there should be a LC comment of that form ←
18:53:31 <bcuencagrau> Christine: I can add a sentence to the requirements doc
Christine Golbreich: I can add a sentence to the requirements doc ←
18:53:40 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:53:45 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:54:01 <schneid> indeed, Jim did so
Michael Schneider: indeed, Jim did so ←
18:54:44 <bcuencagrau> ivan: that is already done
Ivan Herman: that is already done ←
18:55:18 <bcuencagrau> alanr: perhaps Boris could take a look at the examples on keys
Alan Ruttenberg: perhaps Boris could take a look at the examples on keys ←
18:55:22 <pfps> yes
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes ←
18:55:30 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0055.html "So I hereby raise this as a LC Document issue"
Ivan Herman: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0055.html "So I hereby raise this as a LC Document issue" ←
18:55:32 <bcuencagrau> alanr: Bijan should also be aware for the primer
Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan should also be aware for the primer ←
18:55:40 <pfps> Bijan and I will do so.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Bijan and I will do so. ←
18:55:50 <IanH> Someone -- probably Michael -- should send a summary email to the public comments list?
Ian Horrocks: Someone -- probably Michael -- should send a summary email to the public comments list? ←
18:56:15 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html ←
18:56:32 <pfps> q+
18:56:36 <bcuencagrau> alanr: the next comment is more like a question
Alan Ruttenberg: the next comment is more like a question ←
18:56:38 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:56:46 <schneid> what Jim said in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0055.html>: "So I hereby raise this as a LC Document issue (I believe the right
Michael Schneider: what Jim said in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/0055.html>: "So I hereby raise this as a LC Document issue (I believe the right ←
18:56:48 <schneid> terminology) -- i.e. the design is okay, but the documentation should
Michael Schneider: terminology) -- i.e. the design is okay, but the documentation should ←
18:56:49 <schneid> better reflect it"
Michael Schneider: better reflect it" ←
18:57:17 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html ←
18:57:19 <bcuencagrau> ianH: this is not a LC comment
Ian Horrocks: this is not a LC comment ←
18:57:19 <ivan> "[This is not a formal comment, just seeking understanding.]" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html
Ivan Herman: "[This is not a formal comment, just seeking understanding.]" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2009JanMar/0003.html ←
18:58:02 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:59:22 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I am going to reply to him privately
Sandro Hawke: I am going to reply to him privately ←
18:59:37 <bcuencagrau> alanr: end of LC section
Alan Ruttenberg: end of LC section ←
00:00:00 <bcuencagrau> Topic: Test Cases
19:00:08 <bcuencagrau> alanr: Proposal to approve tests
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Alan Ruttenberg: Proposal to approve tests ←
19:00:33 <bcuencagrau> alanr: we should probably approve the tests that all implementations pass
Alan Ruttenberg: we should probably approve the tests that all implementations pass ←
19:00:48 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:00:53 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
19:01:12 <bcuencagrau> msmith: the first set of tests are all DL
Mike Smith: the first set of tests are all DL ←
19:01:33 <bcuencagrau> msmith: there are others that are Full and I haven't run any tool on them
Mike Smith: there are others that are Full and I haven't run any tool on them ←
19:02:17 <bcuencagrau> msmith: some tests are also datatype-related
Mike Smith: some tests are also datatype-related ←
19:02:25 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:02:32 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
19:02:36 <bcuencagrau> msmith: reasoners treat datatypes differently
Mike Smith: reasoners treat datatypes differently ←
19:03:06 <bcuencagrau> ianH: if in the end some systems do not implement all the datatypes, we may want to keep the tests but explain why some fail
Ian Horrocks: if in the end some systems do not implement all the datatypes, we may want to keep the tests but explain why some fail ←
19:03:24 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:03:47 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
19:04:46 <bcuencagrau> msmith: I am ok with accepting the tests that three or more reasoners pass
Mike Smith: I am ok with accepting the tests that three or more reasoners pass ←
19:05:45 <bcuencagrau> alanr: should we have a formal vote on these tests?
Alan Ruttenberg: should we have a formal vote on these tests? ←
19:05:55 <msmith> this is the direct version link http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103
Mike Smith: this is the direct version link http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 ←
19:06:08 <IanH> +1 to Alan's proposal
Ian Horrocks: +1 to Alan's proposal ←
19:06:52 <alanr> PROPOSED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved
PROPOSED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved ←
19:07:24 <bcuencagrau> msmith: what about the tests that we still haven't run?
Mike Smith: what about the tests that we still haven't run? ←
19:07:33 <bcuencagrau> alanr: they go to a different page
Alan Ruttenberg: they go to a different page ←
19:07:38 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:07:42 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
19:08:04 <bcuencagrau> ianH; for the OWL Full ones we should have a different process
ianH; for the OWL Full ones we should have a different process ←
19:08:36 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:08:52 <bcuencagrau> alanr: are we sure that all tests marked as OWL Full are indeed full?
Alan Ruttenberg: are we sure that all tests marked as OWL Full are indeed full? ←
19:09:13 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, unmute me
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19:09:20 <MarkusK_> zamin, mute schneid
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19:09:28 <sandro> Zakim, mute schneid
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19:09:30 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
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19:09:47 <msmith> report format http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Result_Format#Results_Ontology
Mike Smith: report format http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Result_Format#Results_Ontology ←
19:09:56 <bcuencagrau> msmith: OWL Full implementors are welcome to run the tests
Mike Smith: OWL Full implementors are welcome to run the tests ←
19:10:37 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:10:38 <bcuencagrau> sandro: i wrote an OWL Full reasoner, but it is not currently working well
Sandro Hawke: i wrote an OWL Full reasoner, but it is not currently working well ←
19:10:43 <schneid> I had a mail on the Full problem today
Michael Schneider: I had a mail on the Full problem today ←
19:10:46 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
19:11:06 <bcuencagrau> ianH: we should vote on approving these tests that have three OKs
Ian Horrocks: we should vote on approving these tests that have three OKs ←
19:11:29 <msmith> I agree with Ian, we should minimally approve the 3 success tests
Mike Smith: I agree with Ian, we should minimally approve the 3 success tests ←
19:11:29 <alanr> PROPOSED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved
PROPOSED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved ←
19:11:31 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
19:11:49 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
19:11:52 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
19:11:53 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
19:11:54 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
19:11:55 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
19:11:56 <bcuencagrau> +1
+1 ←
19:11:57 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
19:12:01 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
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19:12:01 <pfps> +1
19:12:14 <Christine> +1
Christine Golbreich: +1 ←
19:12:55 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
19:13:03 <alanr> RESOLVED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved
RESOLVED: tests listed on http://dristachi.site/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Queue&oldid=17103 that all three reasoners pass are approved ←
19:13:27 <bcuencagrau> schneid: mschneid: some OWL Full tests can be slightly transformed and be made easy
Michael Schneider: mschneid: some OWL Full tests can be slightly transformed and be made easy ←
19:13:31 <Zhe> +1 (sorry for the late vote)
Zhe Wu: +1 (sorry for the late vote) ←
19:13:47 <msmith> action msmith to update status on approved tests
Mike Smith: action msmith to update status on approved tests ←
19:13:47 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - msmith
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19:14:15 <bcuencagrau> alanr: are you taking an action to review the Full tests?
Alan Ruttenberg: are you taking an action to review the Full tests? ←
19:14:18 <msmith> action masmith to update status on approved tests
Mike Smith: action masmith to update status on approved tests ←
19:14:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - masmith
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19:14:29 <bcuencagrau> mschneid: i need 10 days to finish other work on OWl Full
Michael Schneider: i need 10 days to finish other work on OWl Full ←
19:14:38 <alanr> action: msmith to update status on approved tests
ACTION: msmith to update status on approved tests ←
19:14:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - msmith
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19:14:42 <ivan> s/OWl/OWL/
Ivan Herman: s/OWl/OWL/ ←
19:15:47 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:15:53 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
19:17:06 <bcuencagrau> alanr: please, give details in an email, michael
Alan Ruttenberg: please, give details in an email, michael ←
00:00:00 <bcuencagrau> Topic: Plans for non-LC documents
19:17:31 <bcuencagrau> alanr: discussion about Manchester Syntax
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Alan Ruttenberg: discussion about Manchester Syntax ←
19:17:47 <bcuencagrau> alanr: whether it should be rec track
Alan Ruttenberg: whether it should be rec track ←
19:17:53 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
19:17:58 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
19:18:20 <schneid> The transformation needed for DL/Full entailment tests: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jan/0007.html>. Start reading at "There is another important point".
Michael Schneider: The transformation needed for DL/Full entailment tests: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jan/0007.html>. Start reading at "There is another important point". ←
19:18:26 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I think it should not be rec track. it would make it a Fist Class syntax
Sandro Hawke: I think it should not be rec track. it would make it a Fist Class syntax ←
19:18:34 <bcuencagrau> sandro: this was not in the charter
Sandro Hawke: this was not in the charter ←
19:19:26 <bcuencagrau> alanr: should we amke a decision without Uli and Bijan?
Alan Ruttenberg: should we amke a decision without Uli and Bijan? ←
19:19:55 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:20:00 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
19:20:00 <pfps> I haven't discussed this with them recently.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I haven't discussed this with them recently. ←
19:20:19 <bcuencagrau> ianh: I think they wouldn't lie on the road
Ian Horrocks: I think they wouldn't lie on the road ←
19:20:27 <bcuencagrau> ianH: but we could put it off
Ian Horrocks: but we could put it off ←
19:21:07 <bcuencagrau> sandro: I will be off next week
Sandro Hawke: I will be off next week ←
19:21:36 <schneid> schneid: in owl 1 full it was true that all dl entailments were full entailments. In OWL 2, this is not perfectly true anymore. So using feeding one of the old dl/full entailment tests into a OWL 2 Full reasoner may fail. However, there is a general transformation on dl entailments to make them into OWL 2 Full entailments. See pointer above.
Michael Schneider: in owl 1 full it was true that all dl entailments were full entailments. In OWL 2, this is not perfectly true anymore. So using feeding one of the old dl/full entailment tests into a OWL 2 Full reasoner may fail. However, there is a general transformation on dl entailments to make them into OWL 2 Full entailments. See pointer above. [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ] ←
19:21:57 <alanr> straw poll: 1 = want manchester syntax as rec. 2 = want it as note 3= don't care
Alan Ruttenberg: straw poll: 1 = want manchester syntax as rec. 2 = want it as note 3= don't care ←
19:22:06 <ivan> 2
Ivan Herman: 2 ←
19:22:10 <sandro> 2
Sandro Hawke: 2 ←
19:22:13 <schneid> 2
19:22:15 <pfps> 1 (prefer)
Peter Patel-Schneider: 1 (prefer) ←
19:22:15 <Christine> 2
19:22:20 <bmotik> 1 (prefer)
Boris Motik: 1 (prefer) ←
19:22:24 <MarkusK_> 3
Markus Krötzsch: 3 ←
19:22:25 <bcuencagrau> 3
3 ←
19:22:26 <msmith> 1
Mike Smith: 1 ←
19:22:29 <Zhe> 2
19:22:30 <Rinke> 3
Rinke Hoekstra: 3 ←
19:22:54 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:22:58 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
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19:23:04 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
19:23:07 <bcuencagrau> sandro: those who want to have it as a rec, could you give a reason?
Sandro Hawke: those who want to have it as a rec, could you give a reason? ←
19:23:16 <pfps> +1 to boris
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to boris ←
19:23:17 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:23:19 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
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19:23:20 <bcuencagrau> bmotik: we need a readable syntax for OWL
Boris Motik: we need a readable syntax for OWL ←
19:23:39 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
19:23:43 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
19:23:45 <bcuencagrau> msmith: having it as a rec does not elevate it to the same status as RDF/XML
Mike Smith: having it as a rec does not elevate it to the same status as RDF/XML ←
19:23:48 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
19:24:01 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:24:14 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
19:24:51 <pfps> q+
19:24:56 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:25:05 <bcuencagrau> ivan:the conformance doc should have guidelines on how the syntaxes relate
Ivan Herman: the conformance doc should have guidelines on how the syntaxes relate ←
19:25:12 <bcuencagrau> ivan: we could need a new LC
Ivan Herman: we could need a new LC ←
19:25:14 <msmith> this bit about conformance isn't true for OWL XML syntax, is it?
Mike Smith: this bit about conformance isn't true for OWL XML syntax, is it? ←
19:25:31 <IanH> +1 to Peter's statement about conformance
Ian Horrocks: +1 to Peter's statement about conformance ←
19:25:46 <schneid> +1 to peter
Michael Schneider: +1 to peter ←
19:25:50 <bcuencagrau> pfps: conformance doe the right thing: it doesn't name other syntaxes other than RDF/XML
Peter Patel-Schneider: conformance doe the right thing: it doesn't name other syntaxes other than RDF/XML ←
19:25:51 <bmotik> +1 to peter and msmith
Boris Motik: +1 to peter and msmith ←
19:26:16 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:26:19 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:26:24 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:26:27 <pfps> q-
19:26:34 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
19:27:11 <bcuencagrau> msmith: please clarify what `first class' means
Mike Smith: please clarify what `first class' means ←
19:27:47 <bcuencagrau> sandro: people in the WG have not participated in the design
Sandro Hawke: people in the WG have not participated in the design ←
19:27:59 <pfps> I resonate with Sandro's concerns.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I resonate with Sandro's concerns. ←
19:28:06 <msmith> thank you, that is compelling
Mike Smith: thank you, that is compelling ←
19:28:06 <bcuencagrau> sandro: the features have not been discussed
Sandro Hawke: the features have not been discussed ←
19:28:17 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
19:28:18 <pfps> In particular, I don't think that Manchester should slow down the WG.
Peter Patel-Schneider: In particular, I don't think that Manchester should slow down the WG. ←
19:28:22 <sandro> Sandro: If the WG really feels that Manchester is as mature as the XML syntax, and should be another "first class" document, and we've really thought about it, and really like it, ... then yeah, I'm okay with it being a REC.
Sandro Hawke: If the WG really feels that Manchester is as mature as the XML syntax, and should be another "first class" document, and we've really thought about it, and really like it, ... then yeah, I'm okay with it being a REC. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
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19:29:05 <bcuencagrau> ivan: if it becomes a rec, it will have to go over all stages, such as requirement to have multiple implementations
Ivan Herman: if it becomes a rec, it will have to go over all stages, such as requirement to have multiple implementations ←
19:29:21 <bcuencagrau> ivan: we may be approving something that will slow us down
Ivan Herman: we may be approving something that will slow us down ←
19:29:23 <pfps> I'm resonating even more with Sandro and Ivan.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm resonating even more with Sandro and Ivan. ←
19:30:05 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:30:18 <schneid> hm, people outside the WG may have strong opinions on the Manchester document, because the syntax is in reasonably wide use, I guess...
Michael Schneider: hm, people outside the WG may have strong opinions on the Manchester document, because the syntax is in reasonably wide use, I guess... ←
19:30:56 <bcuencagrau> ianH: in OWL 1 the func. syntax was rec track but it was ignored by implementations
Ian Horrocks: in OWL 1 the func. syntax was rec track but it was ignored by implementations ←
19:31:07 <pfps> OWL 1 abstract syntax wasn't supposed to be used (according to some WG members).
Peter Patel-Schneider: OWL 1 abstract syntax wasn't supposed to be used (according to some WG members). ←
19:31:09 <bcuencagrau> sandro: it had a special status
Sandro Hawke: it had a special status ←
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