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13:58:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2012/06/28-gld-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://dristachi.site/2012/06/28-gld-irc ←
14:00:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:00:30 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2012
14:00:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri, bhyland, danbri, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri, bhyland, danbri, sandro, ←
14:00:33 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
14:00:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started ←
14:00:46 <olyerickson> zakim, I am ??p2
John Erickson: zakim, I am ??p2 ←
14:00:46 <GeraldSteeman> zakim, i am aaaa
Gerald Steeman: zakim, i am aaaa ←
14:00:52 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it ←
14:00:55 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman; got it ←
14:00:57 <olyerickson> mute me
John Erickson: mute me ←
14:00:58 <Zakim> -??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P8 ←
14:01:15 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:01:15 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
John Erickson: zakim, mute me. ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fadmaa, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:01:27 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted ←
14:01:39 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:01:43 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P8 is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
14:01:48 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:01:53 <olyerickson> I'll scribe
John Erickson: I'll scribe ←
14:01:57 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353 is me ←
14:01:58 <olyerickson> but need help
John Erickson: but need help ←
14:02:00 <olyerickson> at end
John Erickson: at end ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA2; got it ←
14:02:11 <olyerickson> scribe: olyerickson
(Scribe set to John Erickson)
14:02:14 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
14:02:17 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
14:02:19 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:02:27 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:02:37 <olyerickson> others can help
others can help ←
14:02:45 <olyerickson> Topic; New Members?
Topic; New Members? ←
14:02:51 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.267.481.aacc ←
14:02:55 <deirdrelee> will brush up on scribing etiquette and will volunteer next time :)
Deirdre Lee: will brush up on scribing etiquette and will volunteer next time :) ←
14:02:55 <olyerickson> No new members
No new members ←
14:03:02 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:07 <olyerickson> Topic: Minutes from previous meeting
14:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, +1.267.481.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds, +1.267.481.aacc ←
14:03:18 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri ←
14:03:32 <luisBermudez> aacc is me
Luis Bermudez: aacc is me ←
14:03:32 <PhilA2> -> http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/meeting/2012-06-21 last week's minutes
Phil Archer: -> http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/meeting/2012-06-21 last week's minutes ←
14:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez_, luisBermudez, martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez_, luisBermudez, martinAlvarez, GeraldSteeman, DaveReynolds, fadmaa, George, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, mhausenblas, MacTed, olyerickson, cygri, ←
14:03:41 <olyerickson> sorry
sorry ←
14:03:42 <Zakim> ... bhyland, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bhyland, sandro, trackbot ←
14:03:48 <olyerickson> Minutes accepted
Minutes accepted ←
14:04:03 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:04:03 <olyerickson> Topic: Dedicated PROV Call?
14:04:05 <PhilA2> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:04:16 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:04:25 <olyerickson> George: Good or bad idea?
George Thomas: Good or bad idea? ←
14:04:30 <olyerickson> +1
+1 ←
14:04:35 <bhyland> ack bhyland
Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←
14:04:49 <olyerickson> Many +1 to PROV engagement
Many +1 to PROV engagement ←
14:05:19 <olyerickson> bhyland: Most important group we liaze with, well-spent time to have PROV rep
Bernadette Hyland: Most important group we liaze with, well-spent time to have PROV rep ←
14:05:35 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
14:05:46 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, ??P25 is martinAlvarez
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P25 is martinAlvarez ←
14:05:46 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it ←
14:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.617.642.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.642.aadd ←
14:05:49 <olyerickson> george: will work with bhyland to engage with PROV and get overview for upcoming call
George Thomas: will work with bhyland to engage with PROV and get overview for upcoming call ←
14:05:51 <PhilA2> action: George to invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings
ACTION: George to invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings ←
14:05:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings [on George Thomas - due 2012-07-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-72 - Invite someone from the Prov WG to talk to one of our meetings [on George Thomas - due 2012-07-05]. ←
14:05:55 <George> zakim, who is on the call?
George Thomas: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:05:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), +1.267.481.aacc, martinAlvarez,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), +1.267.481.aacc, martinAlvarez, ←
14:05:59 <Zakim> ... +1.617.642.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.642.aadd ←
14:05:59 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri ←
14:06:07 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
14:06:07 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:06:17 <olyerickson> Topic: Verifying dial-in numbers...
14:06:57 <PhilA2> zakim, aacc is luisBermudez
Phil Archer: zakim, aacc is luisBermudez ←
14:06:57 <Zakim> +luisBermudez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +luisBermudez; got it ←
14:06:58 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
14:07:00 <George> zakim, who is on the call?
George Thomas: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:07:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), luisBermudez, martinAlvarez,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), davidwood, fadmaa (muted), ??P11, George, mhausenblas, PhilA2, DaveReynolds (muted), luisBermudez, martinAlvarez, ←
14:07:01 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, martinAlvarez_ is martinAlvarez
Martín Álvarez: zakim, martinAlvarez_ is martinAlvarez ←
14:07:04 <Zakim> ... +1.617.642.aadd, [LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.642.aadd, [LC] ←
14:07:04 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri ←
14:07:04 <Zakim> sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not recognize a party named 'martinAlvarez_'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martinAlvarez_, I do not recognize a party named 'martinAlvarez_' ←
14:07:07 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me ←
14:07:07 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it ←
14:07:38 <bhyland> agenda+ schedule for summer meeting george please, end of call?
Bernadette Hyland: agenda+ schedule for summer meeting george please, end of call? ←
14:07:41 <olyerickson> Topic: PhilA introduces ISA Update
14:08:00 <deirdrelee> Zakim, ??P11 is me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, ??P11 is me ←
14:08:00 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
14:09:37 <deirdrelee> will do
Deirdre Lee: will do ←
14:09:42 <olyerickson> PhilA: Introduction of ????
Phil Archer: Introduction of ???? ←
14:09:53 <PhilA2> -> http://dristachi.site/ns/adms ADMNA NS doc
Phil Archer: -> http://dristachi.site/ns/adms ADMS NS doc ←
14:10:02 <PhilA2> s/ADMNA/ADMS/
14:10:16 <cygri> this is vassilios: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/vassilios-peristeras/2/722/911
Richard Cyganiak: this is vassilios: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/vassilios-peristeras/2/722/911 ←
14:10:30 <olyerickson> PhilA: ADMS: Asset Description Metadata Specification
Phil Archer: ADMS: Asset Description Metadata Specification ←
14:10:46 <olyerickson> * Upcoming doc that GLD will be asked to take on
* Upcoming doc that GLD will be asked to take on ←
14:10:50 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/ADMS_Specification_v1.00.pdf ADMS spec
Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/ADMS_Specification_v1.00.pdf ADMS spec ←
14:11:23 <olyerickson> * Lengthy doc (above) is complete
* Lengthy doc (above) is complete ←
14:11:39 <olyerickson> * PhilA aims to create more W3S-like version/summary of doc
* PhilA aims to create more W3S-like version/summary of doc ←
14:12:04 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:12:32 <olyerickson> * ADMS has its own controlled vocab for status of things...W3C GLD will not take on ISA terminology
* ADMS has its own controlled vocab for status of things...W3C GLD will not take on ISA terminology ←
14:12:57 <olyerickson> * Doesn't want to take controlled vocab issue on now, but GLD must deal with in future
* Doesn't want to take controlled vocab issue on now, but GLD must deal with in future ←
14:13:26 <olyerickson> * PhilA plan: create version that is closer to W3C norm, then GLD can take up discussion
* PhilA plan: create version that is closer to W3C norm, then GLD can take up discussion ←
14:13:30 <PhilA2> -> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ Official EC site
Phil Archer: -> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ Official EC site ←
14:13:52 <PhilA2> -> http://dristachi.site/2012/06/tr2adms/ W3C notes on ADMS
Phil Archer: -> http://dristachi.site/2012/06/tr2adms/ W3C notes on ADMS ←
14:14:35 <olyerickson> * W3C RDF description of TR space --- every working draft, last call, yada-yada
* W3C RDF description of TR space --- every working draft, last call, yada-yada ←
14:14:58 <olyerickson> * Other stds groups are trying to create similar offerings, having troubles
* Other stds groups are trying to create similar offerings, having troubles ←
14:15:02 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:15:04 <PhilA2> ack DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←
14:15:29 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: Has found erros in RDF, how to submit feedback?
Dave Reynolds: Has found erros in RDF, how to submit feedback? ←
14:15:46 <olyerickson> * mentions specific errors as examples
* mentions specific errors as examples ←
14:16:04 <olyerickson> * does PhilA want comments back, and how? Grateful for feedback
* does PhilA want comments back, and how? Grateful for feedback ←
14:16:12 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:16:35 <George> ack bhyland
George Thomas: ack bhyland ←
14:17:10 <olyerickson> bhyland: PhilA take time to explain; what is the infrastructure being used? Lots of work represented/ How can others be engaged to share the burden
Bernadette Hyland: PhilA take time to explain; what is the infrastructure being used? Lots of work represented/ How can others be engaged to share the burden ←
14:17:47 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Two other things of note
Phil Archer: Two other things of note ←
14:18:02 <olyerickson> * One is ADMS
* One is ADMS ←
14:18:08 <olyerickson> * One is DCAT
* One is DCAT ←
14:18:19 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
14:18:33 <Yigal> zakim, ??p26 is me
Yigal Arens: zakim, ??p26 is me ←
14:18:33 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it ←
14:18:34 <olyerickson> * But one is related to software ???
* But one is related to software ??? ←
14:18:53 <olyerickson> * But software not related to core work of GLD
* But software not related to core work of GLD ←
14:18:56 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html RADion
Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html RADion ←
14:19:30 <olyerickson> * This led to recognition of common elements of ADMS, DCAT, Software: that's RADion (see link above)
* This led to recognition of common elements of ADMS, DCAT, Software: that's RADion (see link above) ←
14:19:42 <olyerickson> * See UML on page above
* See UML on page above ←
14:20:33 <olyerickson> * PhilA showed to Irina (CKAN); her comment, "that's the kind of (simplified) model we had in mind"
* PhilA showed to Irina (CKAN); her comment, "that's the kind of (simplified) model we had in mind" ←
14:20:44 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez
Zakim IRC Bot: -martinAlvarez ←
14:20:59 <olyerickson> * Should subclass the DCAT (et al) structure
* Should subclass the DCAT (et al) structure ←
14:21:18 <olyerickson> * See ADMS in the same light as DCAT
* See ADMS in the same light as DCAT ←
14:21:28 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:21:32 <olyerickson> * PhilA wants to pause to receive comments
* PhilA wants to pause to receive comments ←
14:21:35 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, ??p3 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p3 is me ←
14:21:35 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez_; got it ←
14:21:45 <martinAlvarez_> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
14:21:45 <Zakim> martinAlvarez_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez_ should now be muted ←
14:21:52 <olyerickson> George: Make sure we capture proposal
George Thomas: Make sure we capture proposal ←
14:22:00 <PhilA2> My proposal is that ADMS is handled along with RADion and DCAT as being "all of a piece"
Phil Archer: My proposal is that ADMS is handled along with RADion and DCAT as being "all of a piece" ←
14:22:22 <PhilA2> i.e. the same space, same people, same thinking
Phil Archer: i.e. the same space, same people, same thinking ←
14:22:35 <olyerickson> George: "All of a piece?"
George Thomas: "All of a piece?" ←
14:22:41 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:23:10 <olyerickson> bhyland: Not sure she really understands what is being proposed
Bernadette Hyland: Not sure she really understands what is being proposed ←
14:23:45 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Means, thinking about everything as part of the same thing...ie those considering DCAT also take on ADMS and RADion
Phil Archer: Means, thinking about everything as part of the same thing...ie those considering DCAT also take on ADMS and RADion ←
14:24:08 <olyerickson> * RADion not to be seen as stand-alone
* RADion not to be seen as stand-alone ←
14:24:30 <bhyland> For the record: "The Repository Asset Distribution (RADion) was developed under the European Commission's http://ec.europa.eu/isa/ . This is the namespace document, generated from the associated RDF schema. Full documentation is provided in the https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/radion/description specification document itself. This includes background information, use cases, the conceptual model and full definitions for all terms used."
Bernadette Hyland: For the record: "The Repository Asset Distribution (RADion) was developed under the European Commission's http://ec.europa.eu/isa/ . This is the namespace document, generated from the associated RDF schema. Full documentation is provided in the https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/radion/description specification document itself. This includes background information, use cases, the conceptual model and full definitions for all terms used." ←
14:25:38 <olyerickson> * Recalls Brussels "break-out" discussion...results of that was realization that Basque, Austrians have created their own vocabs
* Recalls Brussels "break-out" discussion...results of that was realization that Basque, Austrians have created their own vocabs ←
14:26:00 <olyerickson> * void, DCAT don't convey all they they want/need to convey
* void, DCAT don't convey all they they want/need to convey ←
14:26:05 <bhyland> @PhilA, So do I get this right … RADion is a meta meta dataset description for open gov data of different linguistic sets??
Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, So do I get this right … RADion is a meta meta dataset description for open gov data of different linguistic sets?? ←
14:26:33 <olyerickson> * PhilA2 sees those also using RADion --- just a useful bit of structure
* PhilA2 sees those also using RADion --- just a useful bit of structure ←
14:27:01 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:27:05 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:27:23 <olyerickson> bhyland: RADion is a namespace/"placeholder' --- multiple-purpose, meta-meta
Bernadette Hyland: RADion is a namespace/"placeholder' --- multiple-purpose, meta-meta ←
14:27:41 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:27:57 <olyerickson> PhilA2: just a diagram, to be sub-classed, engineering of derivatives would be consistent
Phil Archer: just a diagram, to be sub-classed, engineering of derivatives would be consistent ←
14:28:00 <olyerickson> bhyland:
14:28:10 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:28:16 <olyerickson> bhyland: Maybe this represents a natural evolution
Bernadette Hyland: Maybe this represents a natural evolution ←
14:28:29 <PhilA2> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
14:28:33 <olyerickson> (popping the queue...)
(popping the queue...) ←
14:29:03 <PhilA2> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
14:29:25 <deirdrelee> Zakim, unmute me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:29:26 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee ←
14:29:44 <PhilA2> cygri: Note also schema.org conversation is relevant. They're looking at dataset descriptions too
Richard Cyganiak: Note also schema.org conversation is relevant. They're looking at dataset descriptions too [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:29:53 <mhausenblas> --> http://dristachi.site/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets
Michael Hausenblas: --> http://dristachi.site/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets ←
14:30:03 <PhilA2> ... we should not duplicate schema.org
Phil Archer: ... we should not duplicate schema.org ←
14:30:06 <George> cygri: plenty of 'upper vocabularies' to choose from - schema.org alignment as example dujour
Richard Cyganiak: plenty of 'upper vocabularies' to choose from - schema.org alignment as example dujour [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:30:08 <olyerickson> * make sure that what ever we do, is designed with schema.org considerd as well
* make sure that what ever we do, is designed with schema.org considerd as well ←
14:30:33 <olyerickson> * schema.org may also eventually consider such a core/high-level model
* schema.org may also eventually consider such a core/high-level model ←
14:30:34 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez_
Zakim IRC Bot: -martinAlvarez_ ←
14:30:34 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:30:40 <olyerickson> * make sure we align
* make sure we align ←
14:30:40 <deirdrelee> I wanted to ask, as the vienna example is a clear use-case to justify RADion, do you have feedback from Vienna group on RADion - does it address their needs as a higher-level vocabulary?
Deirdre Lee: I wanted to ask, as the vienna example is a clear use-case to justify RADion, do you have feedback from Vienna group on RADion - does it address their needs as a higher-level vocabulary? ←
14:30:58 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
14:31:07 <deirdrelee> i'm having problem with skype microphone
Deirdre Lee: i'm having problem with skype microphone ←
14:31:23 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: thinks he gets what PhilA is saying, but how will it work in practice?
Dave Reynolds: thinks he gets what PhilA is saying, but how will it work in practice? ←
14:31:48 <olyerickson> * still needs to be reviewed
* still needs to be reviewed ←
14:32:01 <deirdrelee> i pasted question to irc
Deirdre Lee: i pasted question to irc ←
14:32:14 <olyerickson> * don't understand how extended radion works in practice
* don't understand how extended radion works in practice ←
14:32:22 <olyerickson> PhilA2: trying not to create more work
Phil Archer: trying not to create more work ←
14:32:32 <olyerickson> * still "up in the air"
* still "up in the air" ←
14:32:45 <deirdrelee> thanks
Deirdre Lee: thanks ←
14:33:02 <olyerickson> * in terms of process, EC-related work is "complete" and now testing against implementation
* in terms of process, EC-related work is "complete" and now testing against implementation ←
14:33:11 <olyerickson> * direct experience, review is critical
* direct experience, review is critical ←
14:33:42 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: Is simply looking for guidance on how to extend RADion
Dave Reynolds: Is simply looking for guidance on how to extend RADion ←
14:33:50 <deirdrelee> ok
Deirdre Lee: ok ←
14:33:51 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:34:26 <olyerickson> bhyland: Fundamental question: When we discussed ADMS ca. Dec, "we don't want to create new vocabs"
Bernadette Hyland: Fundamental question: When we discussed ADMS ca. Dec, "we don't want to create new vocabs" ←
14:34:38 <olyerickson> * feels like RADion is "meta ADMS"
* feels like RADion is "meta ADMS" ←
14:34:44 <olyerickson> * concern: adding layers of work
* concern: adding layers of work ←
14:35:30 <olyerickson> * Doesn't this align with Max/Andrea/PhilA's work align with schema.org work?
* Shouldn't this align with Max/Andrea/PhilA's work align with schema.org work? ←
14:36:09 <olyerickson> * "They" are about clear description of what/how webmasters should be doing this
* "They" are about clear description of what/how webmasters should be doing this ←
14:36:28 <olyerickson> * Seems like this effort should align?
* Seems like this effort should align? ←
14:36:56 <olyerickson> * Secondly: DCAT, etc represent big effort; won't have similar effort for remainder of ISA vocabs
* Secondly: DCAT, etc represent big effort; won't have similar effort for remainder of ISA vocabs ←
14:37:24 <bhyland> s/Doesn't this align/Shouldn't this align
14:37:25 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Clear that this should be aligned with schema.org; follows public-vocabs list
Phil Archer: Clear that this should be aligned with schema.org; follows public-vocabs list ←
14:37:41 <olyerickson> * May be that schema.org has it covered
* May be that schema.org has it covered ←
14:38:14 <olyerickson> * w.r.t. GLD, PhilA of large amount of work put upon small amount of people, aware of strain
* w.r.t. GLD, PhilA of large amount of work put upon small amount of people, aware of strain ←
14:38:33 <olyerickson> bhyland: where does RADion fit wrt rest of ISA program
Bernadette Hyland: where does RADion fit wrt rest of ISA program ←
14:39:53 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Notes that (a) we are trying to get more participants, and (b) there are people who want to join, esp. to participate in GLD
Phil Archer: Notes that (a) we are trying to get more participants, and (b) there are people who want to join, esp. to participate in GLD ←
14:40:08 <bhyland> I hear there was considerable interest by several new prospects into the GLD WG @ the Brussels conference.
Bernadette Hyland: I hear there was considerable interest by several new prospects into the GLD WG @ the Brussels conference. ←
14:40:22 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:40:25 <bhyland> ack bhyland
Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←
14:40:31 <olyerickson> * RADion is *intended* to make things easier, but if it doesn't...
* RADion is *intended* to make things easier, but if it doesn't... ←
14:40:35 <Zakim> - +1.617.642.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.642.aadd ←
14:41:05 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Expects more time dedicated to this in near future
Phil Archer: Expects more time dedicated to this in near future ←
14:41:28 <olyerickson> bhyland: Sees need for "committee" of people involved in vocabs to see if this is appropriate
Bernadette Hyland: Sees need for "committee" of people involved in vocabs to see if this is appropriate ←
14:41:39 <olyerickson> * esp for our target stakeholders
* esp for our target stakeholders ←
14:41:59 <olyerickson> George: We've gone over our allotted time for ISA-related
George Thomas: We've gone over our allotted time for ISA-related ←
14:42:11 <olyerickson> * time to switch to ADMS/DCAT discussion
* time to switch to ADMS/DCAT discussion ←
14:42:22 <olyerickson> Topic: ADMS and DCAT overview
14:42:38 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html Person
Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html Person ←
14:42:38 <olyerickson> Topic: Core Vocabularies
14:42:52 <George> agree with points bhyland was making/requesting
George Thomas: agree with points bhyland was making/requesting ←
14:42:56 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Person Vocabulary
14:42:58 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html Location
Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html Location ←
14:43:04 <olyerickson> * has had most negative attention
* has had most negative attention ←
14:43:30 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Location
14:43:39 <olyerickson> * Lots of attention, esp. from geospatial
* Lots of attention, esp. from geospatial ←
14:43:54 <olyerickson> * PhilA conversations with OCG, INSPIRE, other
* PhilA conversations with OCG, INSPIRE, other ←
14:44:40 <olyerickson> * Upcoming call with W3C and several other geospatial stakeholders, including GeoSparql etc
* Upcoming call with W3C and several other geospatial stakeholders, including GeoSparql etc ←
14:44:50 <olyerickson> * how do/will these things come together
* how do/will these things come together ←
14:44:58 <bhyland> @DaveReynolds, @cygri, @mhausenblas … how does this work in W3C WGs where we need focused dive on whether yet-another-vocab that describes data set metadata makes sense? If this is a natural evolution as people do real work, great, let's give it due consideration. I personally don't have the expertise to make a call so some "committee" with people from this WG or outside, that do, may be in a better position.
Bernadette Hyland: @DaveReynolds, @cygri, @mhausenblas … how does this work in W3C WGs where we need focused dive on whether yet-another-vocab that describes data set metadata makes sense? If this is a natural evolution as people do real work, great, let's give it due consideration. I personally don't have the expertise to make a call so some "committee" with people from this WG or outside, that do, may be in a better position. ←
14:45:10 <olyerickson> * how will it be done? Not sure --- that's what the conversation is about
* how will it be done? Not sure --- that's what the conversation is about ←
14:45:20 <olyerickson> * PhilA to report back
* PhilA to report back ←
14:45:25 <PhilA2> -> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html Business vocab
Phil Archer: -> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html Business vocab ←
14:45:28 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Business Vocabulary
14:45:43 <olyerickson> * specific use case for describing companies in registries
* specific use case for describing companies in registries ←
14:45:46 <PhilA2> -> http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf Open Corporates implementation http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf
Phil Archer: -> http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf Open Corporates implementation http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/04285910.rdf ←
14:46:09 <olyerickson> * OpenCorporates/Chris Taggert has been involved in implementing
* OpenCorporates/Chris Taggert has been involved in implementing ←
14:46:29 <olyerickson> * Designed to be subclass of Org contology, not to replace
* Designed to be subclass of Org contology, not to replace ←
14:46:43 <olyerickson> * speaking to Belgian business registry Friday
* speaking to Belgian business registry Friday ←
14:46:51 <Zakim> + +49.721.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.721.aaee ←
14:47:13 <PhilA2> http://dristachi.site/ns/person
Phil Archer: http://dristachi.site/ns/person ←
14:47:22 <olyerickson> Again - We are committed to taking these on, the question is *how* do we execute
Again - We are committed to taking these on, the question is *how* do we execute ←
14:47:47 <olyerickson> * PhilA needs GLD permission to replace "holding" docs with more permanent forms
* PhilA needs GLD permission to replace "holding" docs with more permanent forms ←
14:48:01 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:48:03 <olyerickson> George: Time for us to get more serious
George Thomas: Time for us to get more serious ←
14:48:20 <olyerickson> * Any other comments on the above?
* Any other comments on the above? ←
14:48:33 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: zakim, unmute me ←
14:48:33 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should no longer be muted ←
14:49:08 <DaveReynolds> Should be a formal vote
Dave Reynolds: Should be a formal vote ←
14:49:09 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Point of order: needs answer to his question: ok to publish those schemas?
Phil Archer: Point of order: needs answer to his question: ok to publish those schemas? ←
14:49:20 <bhyland> @PhilA2 - what are the ramifications of publishing all these vocabs in the w3 ns as an editor's draft??
Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA2 - what are the ramifications of publishing all these vocabs in the w3 ns as an editor's draft?? ←
14:49:25 <cygri> which ones exactly?
Richard Cyganiak: which ones exactly? ←
14:49:28 <DaveReynolds> I will abstain rather than object
Dave Reynolds: I will abstain rather than object ←
14:49:42 <bhyland> I'm not prepared to vote ...
Bernadette Hyland: I'm not prepared to vote ... ←
14:49:42 <PhilA2> proposal is to publish schemas for Radion, Person, Location and Besiness
Phil Archer: proposal is to publish schemas for Radion, Person, Location and Besiness ←
14:49:43 <olyerickson> Any objects to PhilA going forward with namespaces to core vocabs as describved?
Any objects to PhilA going forward with namespaces to core vocabs as describved? ←
14:49:45 <bhyland> need more info.
Bernadette Hyland: need more info. ←
14:49:59 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html
Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/business-v1.00.html ←
14:50:00 <olyerickson> Person, Location, Business core vocabularies
Person, Location, Business core vocabularies ←
14:50:05 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html
Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v1.00.html ←
14:50:09 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html
Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v1.00.html ←
14:50:12 <bhyland> I feel this is too rushed, I'm sorry
Bernadette Hyland: I feel this is too rushed, I'm sorry ←
14:50:14 <PhilA2> http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html
Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.1.html ←
14:50:33 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Moving from "holding pages" to "official" pages
Phil Archer: Moving from "holding pages" to "official" pages ←
14:50:52 <deirdrelee> how would this relate to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace?
Deirdre Lee: how would this relate to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace? ←
14:51:16 <olyerickson> bhyland: What will the status be? What does it mean?
Bernadette Hyland: What will the status be? What does it mean? ←
14:51:30 <bhyland> No standing, just a document in the W3 website.
Bernadette Hyland: No standing, just a document in the W3 website. ←
14:51:38 <George> like this - http://dristachi.site/ns/adms
George Thomas: like this - http://dristachi.site/ns/adms ←
14:51:54 <olyerickson> PhilA2: No formal standing. Simply a document on the W3C web site (see above example for ADMS)
Phil Archer: No formal standing. Simply a document on the W3C web site (see above example for ADMS) ←
14:52:03 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:52:16 <bhyland> abstain
Bernadette Hyland: abstain ←
14:52:28 <olyerickson> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
14:52:54 <olyerickson> cygri: What have been our previous decisions on the three core vocabs?
Richard Cyganiak: What have been our previous decisions on the three core vocabs? ←
14:53:20 <olyerickson> * Have decisions been made about potential publication?
* Have decisions been made about potential publication? ←
14:54:03 <olyerickson> * Previous conversation involving GLD leaders with jeff jaffry, etc, and pattern match with GLD charter was found
* Previous conversation involving GLD leaders with jeff jaffry, etc, and pattern match with GLD charter was found ←
14:54:43 <olyerickson> bhyland: There was acknowledgement that this represents good work, bridge between ISA and W3C seen,
Bernadette Hyland: There was acknowledgement that this represents good work, bridge between ISA and W3C seen, ←
14:54:56 <olyerickson> * also recognizes that there is an ISA deadline
* also recognizes that there is an ISA deadline ←
14:55:21 <olyerickson> * And recognizes that GLD is becoming highly visible
* And recognizes that GLD is becoming highly visible ←
14:55:42 <olyerickson> * But concerned about rushing and/over over-extending GLD WG
* But concerned about rushing and/over over-extending GLD WG ←
14:55:56 <olyerickson> * not comfortable commenting
* not comfortable commenting ←
14:56:22 <olyerickson> George: None of this is new; we have followed suite with ADMS
George Thomas: None of this is new; we have followed suite with ADMS ←
14:56:30 <deirdrelee> @PhilA2: should the person and business core vocabularies be somehow linked (even theoretically if not at concept level) to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace to avoid confusion
Deirdre Lee: @PhilA2: should the person and business core vocabularies be somehow linked (even theoretically if not at concept level) to the Person and Organisation deliverables in the GLD workspace to avoid confusion ←
14:56:40 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:56:46 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:56:51 <olyerickson> * yet we seem to not have concensus at this moment
* yet we seem to not have concensus at this moment ←
14:56:53 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
14:56:58 <olyerickson> unmute me
unmute me ←
14:57:31 <olyerickson> DaveReynolds: retracts his abstention
Dave Reynolds: retracts his abstention ←
14:57:42 <olyerickson> * specific concern over Business core vocab
* specific concern over Business core vocab ←
14:58:10 <olyerickson> * has a definite caution that Business vocab be rigorously reviewed
* has a definite caution that Business vocab be rigorously reviewed ←
14:58:28 <fadmaa> zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: zakim, mute me ←
14:58:28 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:58:54 <olyerickson> ???: Input goes into vocab design from different directions
Richard Cyganiak: Input goes into vocab design from different directions ←
14:59:08 <PhilA2> s/???/cygri/
14:59:16 <olyerickson> * sort-of unclear what the ownership is of these things
* sort-of unclear what the ownership is of these things ←
14:59:33 <olyerickson> * what is implied by the steps being taken (proposed) now
* what is implied by the steps being taken (proposed) now ←
14:59:36 <bhyland> cygri: Issues around process, owners for the purposes of maintenance, and W3 namespace
Richard Cyganiak: Issues around process, owners for the purposes of maintenance, and W3 namespace [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:59:55 <olyerickson> * e.g. are we thereby agreeing to publish a document based on these?
* e.g. are we thereby agreeing to publish a document based on these? ←
15:00:11 <olyerickson> George: These are also the questions that Bhyland had
George Thomas: These are also the questions that Bhyland had ←
15:00:23 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Perceived meaning vs actual meaning
Phil Archer: Perceived meaning vs actual meaning ←
15:00:43 <olyerickson> * There is work going on around Europe
* There is work going on around Europe ←
15:00:52 <olyerickson> * GLD has control
* GLD has control ←
15:01:07 <olyerickson> * GLD has complete right to change whatever it likes/needs to
* GLD has complete right to change whatever it likes/needs to ←
15:01:36 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
15:01:57 <olyerickson> PhilA2: Supposes he should get on with create docs that describe these vocabs
Phil Archer: Supposes he should get on with create docs that describe these vocabs ←
15:02:13 <olyerickson> cygri: Initial reaction was, oh well these look okay
Richard Cyganiak: Initial reaction was, oh well these look okay ←
15:02:37 <bhyland> @PhilA, what does control mean really? Makx and Andrea aren't members of this GLD. Are you able to own this do the remaining heavy lifting?
Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, what does control mean really? Makx and Andrea aren't members of this GLD. Are you able to own this do the remaining heavy lifting? ←
15:03:26 <PhilA2> @bhyland. Yes. Although Andrea may well be joining the group (he helped with POWDER and is in the INSPIRE team at the EC)
Phil Archer: @bhyland. Yes. Although Andrea may well be joining the group (he helped with POWDER and is in the INSPIRE team at the EC) ←
15:03:44 <PhilA2> cygri: Concerned about scope creep. Unconvinced that RADion is necessary or desirable
Richard Cyganiak: Concerned about scope creep. Unconvinced that RADion is necessary or desirable [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:03:48 <bhyland> cygri: not comfortable giving approval at this time to RADion. Has concerns about scope creep.
Richard Cyganiak: not comfortable giving approval at this time to RADion. Has concerns about scope creep. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:03:49 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
15:03:52 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
15:04:06 <PhilA2> cygri: Doesn't seem to make sense to allocated URIs
Richard Cyganiak: Doesn't seem to make sense to allocated URIs ←
15:04:35 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Very grateful for the comments received
Phil Archer: Very grateful for the comments received ←
15:04:39 <bhyland> +1 to cygri's comments. Please don't take this to mean 'no', it means we need a bit more time to digest and have a sensible discussion on how it fits.
Bernadette Hyland: +1 to cygri's comments. Please don't take this to mean 'no', it means we need a bit more time to digest and have a sensible discussion on how it fits. ←
15:04:55 <PhilA2> PhilA2: And I apologise for taking up the whole meeting
Phil Archer: And I apologise for taking up the whole meeting ←
15:05:02 <bhyland> Please take this as a positive sign that we care & want to ensure it is 'right' as we go foward.
Bernadette Hyland: Please take this as a positive sign that we care & want to ensure it is 'right' as we go foward. ←
15:05:16 <PhilA2> George: No consensus reached. Look to regroup on DCAT in July
George Thomas: No consensus reached. Look to regroup on DCAT in July ←
15:05:32 <PhilA2> George: And to tackle Rufus and Ed Summers' input
George Thomas: And to tackle Rufus and Ed Summers' input ←
15:05:38 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -GeraldSteeman ←
15:05:49 <PhilA2> George: Thanks PhilA2 for building the bridge with ISA
George Thomas: Thanks PhilA2 for building the bridge with ISA ←
15:05:56 <bhyland> @George, please highlight the July/Aug summer schedule …
Bernadette Hyland: @George, please highlight the July/Aug summer schedule … ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> Proposed: 2012-08-30
PROPOSED: 2012-08-30 ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-23
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-23 ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-16 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-16 - NO MEETING (summer schedule) ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-09
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-09 ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-08-02 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-08-02 - NO MEETING (summer schedule) ←
15:06:01 <bhyland> 2012-07-26 http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/wiki/Bernadette_Hyland (on holiday)
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-26 http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/wiki/Bernadette_Hyland (on holiday) ←
15:06:04 <bhyland> 2012-07-19 - NO MEETING (summer schedule)
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-19 - NO MEETING (summer schedule) ←
15:06:05 <bhyland> 2012-07-12
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-12 ←
15:06:07 <bhyland> 2012-07-05 http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/wiki/Dave_Reynolds
Bernadette Hyland: 2012-07-05 http://dristachi.site/2011/gld/wiki/Dave_Reynolds ←
15:06:21 <cygri> PhilA2, I hadn't quite realized that the intention was to take RADion into GLD, so didn't really pay enough attention to it when you started talking about it. I'll have some reading about it to do now.
Richard Cyganiak: PhilA2, I hadn't quite realized that the intention was to take RADion into GLD, so didn't really pay enough attention to it when you started talking about it. I'll have some reading about it to do now. ←
15:11:15 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended ←
15:11:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.757.604.aaaa, davidwood, +3539149aabb, George, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, cygri, PhilA2, fadmaa, +1.267.481.aacc, DaveReynolds, martinAlvarez,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.757.604.aaaa, davidwood, +3539149aabb, George, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, cygri, PhilA2, fadmaa, +1.267.481.aacc, DaveReynolds, martinAlvarez, ←
15:11:15 <Zakim> ... +1.617.642.aadd, luisBermudez, tinagheen, deirdrelee, Yigal, martinAlvarez_, +49.721.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.642.aadd, luisBermudez, tinagheen, deirdrelee, Yigal, martinAlvarez_, +49.721.aaee ←
15:11:44 <PhilA2> ... rrsagent, make logs public
... rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:11:56 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:12:12 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:12:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2012/06/28-gld-minutes.html PhilA2
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