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15:55:33 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
15:55:52 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
15:56:04 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt  King
15:56:08 <Matt_King> present+
15:57:24 <Matt_King> agenda: https://github.com/w3c-cg/aria-at/wiki/September-9%2C-2026-Agenda
15:57:25 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Review agenda and next meeting dates
15:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Current interop reporting status
15:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Tri-State Checkbox Test Plan
15:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ HTML Button test plan
15:57:28 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue 1671: VoiceOver Bot is not running
15:57:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue 1402: TPAC Breakout
15:57:33 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue 1401: AI in ARIA-AT
15:57:46 <Matt_King> agenda?
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16:07:08 <Matt_King> scribe+
16:07:20 <Matt_King> zakim, take up itme 1
16:07:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up itme 1', Matt_King
16:07:28 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 1
16:07:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Review agenda and next meeting dates -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:07:57 <Matt_King> moving ttpace and AI issues to item 3 and item 4
16:08:13 <Matt_King> next meeting is sep 23
16:08:21 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 2
16:08:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Current interop reporting status -- taken up [from agendabot]
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16:09:54 <Matt_King> primary change has been that html button element is in draft review.
16:10:31 <Matt_King> agenda?
16:10:58 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 6
16:10:58 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Issue 1402: TPAC Breakout -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:11:27 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
16:11:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/09-aria-at-minutes.html Matt_King
16:11:56 <Matt_King> agenda?
16:17:14 <Matt_King> discussion of objectives.
16:17:30 <Matt_King> think we have about an hour, maybe less.
16:17:55 <Matt_King> Lola: explain what is being tested and how screen readers interact with the web.
16:19:18 <Matt_King> Help attendees know why they might want to write tests and what wouldbe invovled in doing so.
16:19:42 <Matt_King> Also help people understand this test infra and how it is different from wpt , test262, and others.
16:19:52 <Matt_King> another goal is just marketing, awareness.
16:23:21 <Matt_King> There are people who write wpt tests  who may occasionally write aria-at tests. Some are just interested in how screen readers engage with the things they build.
16:25:54 <Matt_King> Lola will email matt the github issues with brekaout proposals.
16:26:08 <Matt_King> we will work on the request for how to avoid scheduling conflicts.
16:26:20 <Matt_King> Lola will own the shceduling and assets.
16:26:41 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 7
16:26:41 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Issue 1401: AI in ARIA-AT -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:27:38 <Matt_King> Lola: I'm only person writing html test plans at this time.
16:27:55 <Matt_King> Maybe we could ahve AI generate some plans and then we would review them.
16:28:21 <Matt_King> Maybe closes some of th test author gap.
16:28:42 <Matt_King> Many of the html plans already ahve an equivalent in some of the APG work.
16:32:34 <Matt_King> Matt: fine with review AI generate PRs. would like the person who acked the AI to make it be the first reviewer. may want to develop some skills.
16:32:49 <Matt_King> Chris: agree with moving in the direction of sills.
16:33:13 <Matt_King> would be very helpful to have some plain language md files that describe aspects of good tests.
16:34:00 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 3
16:34:00 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Tri-State Checkbox Test Plan -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:43:22 <Matt_King> Still need one more JAWS tester; will work on completing Amruth onboarding.
16:43:50 <Matt_King> H'es running into some login problems that Matt hasn't been able to solve; will email Chris and Howard.
16:44:11 <Matt_King> Resolved issue with VO version recording; added 26.6.2 to the system.
16:44:42 <Matt_King> NVDA is complete; Matt will mark as final.
16:45:13 <Matt_King> Dean says he can help run VoiceOver tests.
16:46:16 <Matt_King> SUBTOPIC: issue 1410
16:46:24 <Matt_King> github: https://github.com/w3c-cg/aria-at/issues/1410
16:52:51 <Matt_King> discussed the specifics of the issue; matt will fix the command for issue 1410 as requested in the issue.
16:53:06 <Matt_King> SUBTOPIC: issue 1411
16:57:14 <Matt_King> There are 2 assertions missing from ctrl-opt-F4 in tests 4 and 5
16:57:30 <Matt_King> Discussed that they should be the same as ctrl-opt-f3
16:57:58 <Matt_King> Aligned that Matt will update the test plan  to add the missing assertions.
16:58:51 <Matt_King> zakim, take up item 5
16:58:51 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Issue 1671: VoiceOver Bot is not running -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:59:20 <Matt_King> MacStadium wiped the machines for security issues.
16:59:40 <Matt_King> they upgraded the operating system to26.6.2
17:00:05 <Matt_King> Chris started to reinstall runners
17:00:07 <Matt_King> self-hosted runners should only be on private repos.
17:00:19 <Matt_King> We have had public so we get unlimited action usage.
17:00:52 <Matt_King> If we go private, then we would have to pay , potentially, for the actions. Whether we would run into the limits is unknown.
17:01:15 <Matt_King> The maintainers of Github have successfully got MacOS running again.
17:01:43 <Matt_King> Maybe we should go back to GitHub hosted runners.
17:01:59 <Matt_King> This is at least a day work, and we are limited by people's availability.
17:08:09 <Matt_King> Joe: Can the bots be run locally?
17:10:24 <Matt_King> Chris: Yes, it is certainly feasible.  There are some access control issues to work out.
17:10:41 <Matt_King> Matt: Let's find some more discussion time in next meeting.
17:11:48 <Matt_King> zakim, end meeting
17:11:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King
17:11:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:11:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/09/09-aria-at-minutes.html Zakim
17:11:54 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Matt_King; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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