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06:55:45 <josema> zakim, this will be egov
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06:56:09 <josema> chair: john
06:56:20 <josema> topic: joint meeting with PLING
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07:03:44 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
07:03:44 <trackbot> Date: 24 October 2008
07:03:53 <josema> chair: john
07:04:00 <josema> topic: joint meeting with PLING
07:04:10 <josema> zakim, call esterel
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07:07:40 <josema> zakim, ??P4 is trond
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07:08:45 <josema> scribeNick: josema
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07:09:06 <josema> renato: chair of PLING, joint meeting to discuss about potential overlap
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Unknown renato: chair of PLING, joint meeting to discuss about potential overlap ←
07:09:37 <josema> ... social networks also in scope for us as an interesting case to look at
... social networks also in scope for us as an interesting case to look at ←
07:09:47 <josema> ... also people from PrimeLife EU project
... also people from PrimeLife EU project ←
07:09:56 <josema> q?
q? ←
07:10:20 <josema> ... also policies that can impact human activity on the Web
... also policies that can impact human activity on the Web ←
07:10:57 <josema> rigo: I think we have identified the need for a general ?? framework that should interest govs
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Unknown rigo: I think we have identified the need for a general ?? framework that should interest govs ←
07:11:20 <josema> ... where you can push general policy on your data records that travel
... where you can push general policy on your data records that travel ←
07:11:28 <josema> ... so you'll know about that data in the future
... so you'll know about that data in the future ←
07:12:10 <josema> ... general policy constraining?? framework
... general policy constraining?? framework ←
07:12:31 <josema> ... we need more use cases
... we need more use cases ←
07:12:53 <josema> renato: we need to capture the needs of the larger community
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Unknown renato: we need to capture the needs of the larger community ←
07:12:59 <josema> rigo: also experience with large scale use cases
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Unknown rigo: also experience with large scale use cases ←
07:13:21 <josema> john: we too are working on use cases
John Sheridan: we too are working on use cases ←
07:14:09 <josema> ... we spend our time thinking about 4 types of interaction: G2G, G2C,...
... we spend our time thinking about 4 types of interaction: G2G, G2C,... ←
07:14:36 <josema> ... whole of stuff that is going on around the Web, some wrong
... whole of stuff that is going on around the Web, some wrong ←
07:14:49 <josema> ... very simple stuff that needs to be improved
... very simple stuff that needs to be improved ←
07:15:14 <josema> ... discussed about use of performance data, how to improve policy outcomes in some areas
... discussed about use of performance data, how to improve policy outcomes in some areas ←
07:15:24 <josema> ... describe that with use cases in those areas
... describe that with use cases in those areas ←
07:15:34 <josema> ... eg. G2G needs more data sharing
... eg. G2G needs more data sharing ←
07:16:15 <josema> ... G2C important issue of how people uses data that the government produces
... G2C important issue of how people uses data that the government produces ←
07:16:23 <josema> renato: is this documented?
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Unknown renato: is this documented? ←
07:16:39 <josema> john: we are starting, group is young
John Sheridan: we are starting, group is young ←
07:16:45 <josema> ... but starting to document already
... but starting to document already ←
07:16:56 <josema> ... some things are very difficult, scope is broad
... some things are very difficult, scope is broad ←
07:17:11 <josema> ... understanding the landscape takes time
... understanding the landscape takes time ←
07:17:28 <josema> ... data sharing is massive, almost any kind of public policy outcome
... data sharing is massive, almost any kind of public policy outcome ←
07:17:50 <josema> ... needs this, there are legal challenges, also challenges around errors
... needs this, there are legal challenges, also challenges around errors ←
07:18:17 <josema> ... eg. to transfer the data between two departments, there was the need to use a CDRom
... eg. to transfer the data between two departments, there was the need to use a CDRom ←
07:18:26 <josema> ... that was lost in the transaction
... that was lost in the transaction ←
07:19:30 <josema> ??: that is a problem I found already because of the policy itself??
??: that is a problem I found already because of the policy itself?? ←
07:20:06 <josema> ... certification and law in place should help improve this??
... certification and law in place should help improve thisAndreas ←
07:20:36 <caribou> s/??/Andreas/
07:20:48 <josema> ... there also ideas of modifying processes, methods, etc.
... there also ideas of modifying processes, methods, etc. ←
07:21:03 <josema> ... we need to make sure the certification bodies to take care of this asap ??
... we need to make sure the certification bodies to take care of this asap ?? ←
07:21:22 <josema> john: from UK perspective, we don't have two levels but many to classify material
John Sheridan: from UK perspective, we don't have two levels but many to classify material ←
07:21:43 <josema> ... problem change the higher we go, higher end covers eg. intelligence community
... problem change the higher we go, higher end covers eg. intelligence community ←
07:22:10 <josema> ... you'd think it'd work well at that level, but there also problems there
... you'd think it'd work well at that level, but there also problems there ←
07:22:23 <josema> ... another approach is the risk of having the info public or not
... another approach is the risk of having the info public or not ←
07:23:23 <josema> ... one person's tax record might not be that interesting but 25 million is different
... one person's tax record might not be that interesting but 25 million is different ←
07:23:30 <josema> ... also approach to take into account
... also approach to take into account ←
07:23:57 <josema> ... we commissioned a data handling review and for the first time
... we commissioned a data handling review and for the first time ←
07:24:14 <josema> ... every gov dept had to identify their data assets and one person responsible for them
... every gov dept had to identify their data assets and one person responsible for them ←
07:24:42 <josema> andrea: and you make a persona liable for gov data?
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Unknown andrea: and you make a persona liable for gov data? ←
07:25:16 <josema> john: no, conversations are happening on how to deal with it
John Sheridan: no, conversations are happening on how to deal with it ←
07:25:33 <josema> ... we probably need new legislation in place to deal with this
... we probably need new legislation in place to deal with this ←
07:25:41 <josema> ??: [lost comment]
Lucy Lynch: are those things redundant? if not it's a single point of failure ←
07:25:54 <caribou> s/??/Lucy Lynch/
07:26:26 <caribou> s/[lost comment]/are those things redundant? if not it's a single point of failure
07:26:27 <josema> rigo: enforcement by stamp, one of the issues that we have is that when developing those use cases
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Unknown rigo: enforcement by stamp, one of the issues that we have is that when developing those use cases ←
07:26:59 <josema> ... you have to very strict, perhaps a piece of data in a DB somewhere dissapears and it's spread among many
... you have to very strict, perhaps a piece of data in a DB somewhere dissapears and it's spread among many ←
07:27:08 <josema> ... different systems, like in a graph
... different systems, like in a graph ←
07:27:19 <josema> ... how would you re-construct it? find it?
... how would you re-construct it? find it? ←
07:27:45 <caribou> s/things/"persons"/
07:28:48 <josema> [lost some]
[lost some] ←
07:29:05 <josema> jan: interesting question, how W3C can be relevant to solve some of these issues
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Unknown jan: interesting question, how W3C can be relevant to solve some of these issues ←
07:29:14 <josema> ... you can probably do better than losing those 2 CDs
... you can probably do better than losing those 2 CDs ←
07:29:21 <josema> ... what's the scope of eGov at W3C here?
... what's the scope of eGov at W3C here? ←
07:30:02 <josema> rigo: from PLING side we need to be able to represent the constraints that governments have
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Unknown rigo: from PLING side we need to be able to represent the constraints that governments have ←
07:30:47 <caribou> Andreas: you need a system to help the person managing the asset
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Unknown Andreas: you need a system to help the person managing the asset [ Scribe Assist by Unknown caribou ] ←
07:30:58 <caribou> ... W3C could help putting a framework in place
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Unknown caribou: ... W3C could help putting a framework in place ←
07:31:08 <caribou> ... that could be a relevant UC
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Unknown caribou: ... that could be a relevant UC ←
07:31:42 <caribou> ... if you have the system set up, the responsable owners of the asset have a chance to deal with it
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Unknown caribou: ... if you have the system set up, the responsable owners of the asset have a chance to deal with it ←
07:32:03 <josema> john: to give you a sense of scale, in just one department in the Ministry of Interior
John Sheridan: to give you a sense of scale, in just one department in the Ministry of Interior ←
07:32:33 <josema> ... there are one hundred people that are "data owners"
... there are one hundred people that are "data owners" ←
07:33:07 <josema> rigo: I already see this concept about the silo that one owns
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Unknown rigo: I already see this concept about the silo that one owns ←
07:33:21 <josema> ... one the silo disappears everything change
... one the silo disappears everything change ←
07:33:38 <josema> john: do you want to solve today's or tomorrow's problem?
John Sheridan: do you want to solve today's or tomorrow's problem? ←
07:33:59 <josema> rigo: I want to solve today's problem with tomorrow's solution
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Unknown rigo: I want to solve today's problem with tomorrow's solution ←
07:34:44 <josema> andreas: ??
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Unknown andreas: ?? ←
07:35:09 <josema> rigo: you can make some things harder, eg. obscurity
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Unknown rigo: you can make some things harder, eg. obscurity ←
07:35:22 <josema> ... but having a reliable one is a different story
... but having a reliable one is a different story ←
07:35:39 <josema> ... ???
... ??? ←
07:36:09 <rigo> discussion about enforcement of data handling with DRM on gov data
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Unknown rigo: discussion about enforcement of data handling with DRM on gov data ←
07:36:22 <josema> john: there are social, cultural changes involved, too
John Sheridan: there are social, cultural changes involved, too ←
07:36:39 <rigo> discussion whether making such secure system is possible
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Unknown rigo: discussion whether making such secure system is possible ←
07:36:58 <rigo> rigo: may be technically possible, but would render system unusable
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Unknown rigo: may be technically possible, but would render system unusable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
07:36:59 <josema> renato: government as consumer use cases would be interesting, too
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Unknown renato: government as consumer use cases would be interesting, too ←
07:37:12 <josema> ... eg. consumers applying for something and making sure the info
... eg. consumers applying for something and making sure the info ←
07:37:21 <josema> ... is being kept private by gov
... is being kept private by gov ←
07:37:27 <josema> john: big piece of our concern
John Sheridan: big piece of our concern ←
07:37:30 <rigo> ri: user entering data like in social network, but in gov context
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Unknown ri: user entering data like in social network, but in gov context [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
07:37:56 <josema> ... if public trust is about the way keeps the info
... if public trust is about the way gov keeps the info ←
07:38:04 <rigo> ??: how to express consent in gov systems to be able to share data for better service
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Unknown rigo: ??: how to express consent in gov systems to be able to share data for better service ←
07:38:09 <josema> s/way/way gov
07:38:11 <rigo> especially personal data
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Unknown rigo: especially personal data ←
07:38:21 <rigo> some can be done with anon data
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Unknown rigo: some can be done with anon data ←
07:38:57 <josema> ... you need to share that info between departments, taxes, social security
... you need to share that info between departments, taxes, social security ←
07:39:11 <josema> ... you need to introduce the concept of citizen consent
... you need to introduce the concept of citizen consent ←
07:39:25 <josema> ... the citizen consents the gov to use it to provide him a better service
... the citizen consents the gov to use it to provide him a better service ←
07:39:56 <josema> @@: in Germany there's the concept where every agency needs to ask the citizen for
@@: in Germany there's the concept where every agency needs to ask the citizen for ←
07:40:09 <josema> ... permission to use it@@@
... permission to use itJan Schallaböck@ ←
07:40:11 <rigo> s/@@/Jan Schallaböck/
07:40:19 <josema> martin: in NL the case is the opposite
Martin Mollema: in NL the case is the opposite ←
07:40:50 <rigo> martin: digital id, SMS via mobile
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Martin Mollema: digital id, SMS via mobile [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
07:41:01 <josema> ... we have identified two levels related to eID: user/pwd and SMS sent to your mobile
... we have identified two levels related to eID: user/pwd and SMS sent to your mobile ←
07:41:08 <josema> ... depending on the kind of transaction
... depending on the kind of transaction ←
07:41:21 <josema> rigo: we discussed that yesterday, ENISA wants to have an ontology
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Unknown rigo: we discussed that yesterday, ENISA wants to have an ontology ←
07:41:35 <josema> ... on security levels, which is arbitrary at the beginning
... on security levels, which is arbitrary at the beginning ←
07:41:46 <josema> ... and people define as they go
... and people define as they go ←
07:42:06 <josema> ... they want to define some protocols at the beginning
... they want to define some protocols at the beginning ←
07:42:32 <josema> ... so you could identify the security levels at the beginning and ??
... so you could identify the security levels at the beginning and ?? ←
07:43:05 <josema> ... this is a discussion that will happen no matter the security level
... this is a discussion that will happen no matter the security level ←
07:43:13 <josema> ... ???
... ??? ←
07:43:43 <rigo> JS: common criteria already provides levels of security
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Unknown JS: common criteria already provides levels of security [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
07:44:23 <josema> js: that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see in govs
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Unknown js: that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see in govs ←
07:44:42 <josema> ... if a guy is in charge and the only one with permission to access the data
... if a guy is in charge and the only one with permission to access the data ←
07:44:48 <josema> ... I wouldn't like to see other accessing it
... I wouldn't like to see other accessing it ←
07:44:56 <rigo> ...identify first the object of audit
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Unknown rigo: ...identify first the object of audit ←
07:45:30 <josema> rigo: with common criteria auditing, we could transform the population of China into
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Unknown rigo: with common criteria auditing, we could transform the population of China into ←
07:45:36 <josema> ... ISO @@ consultants
... ISO @@ consultants ←
07:45:51 <BeNg> martin : in the NL the IDs are developed in open software
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Unknown BeNg: martin : in the NL the software to handle login by IDs are developed in open software ←
07:45:53 <josema> ... issue with common criteria is that it does not scale, it's impractical
... issue with common criteria is that it does not scale, it's impractical ←
07:46:55 <mamol> s/NL the IDs/NL the software to handle login by IDs/
07:46:57 <josema> john: there's one more issue I'd like to draw
John Sheridan: there's one more issue I'd like to draw ←
07:47:20 <josema> ... ?? initiative about property rights ???
... ?? initiative about property rights ??? ←
07:47:28 <rigo> DRM
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Unknown rigo: DRM ←
07:47:47 <josema> ... even basic data sets could be an aggregration of various properties
... even basic data sets could be an aggregration of various properties ←
07:48:02 <josema> ... and have to make the reusable on the Web
... and have to make the reusable on the Web ←
07:48:12 <josema> renato: I agree
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Unknown renato: I agree ←
07:48:46 <josema> john: then you can have the government use CC like in NL, NZ
John Sheridan: then you can have the government use CC like in NL, NZ ←
07:49:33 <josema> ... we have something similar but need to go beyond given our needs
... we have something similar but need to go beyond given our needs ←
07:49:42 <josema> ... we are using RDF and RDFa for that
... we are using RDF and RDFa for that ←
07:50:02 <josema> martin: CC needs to be translated into NL if we want to use it
Martin Mollema: CC needs to be translated into duth legal framework if we want to use it ←
07:50:36 <mamol> s/NL/duth legal framework/
07:50:43 <josema> rigo: I face this issue about the translation before in Germany, too
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Unknown rigo: I face this issue about the translation before in Germany, too ←
07:51:36 <josema> ... issues about the attribution, who writes, who translates...
... issues about the attribution, who writes, who translates... ←
07:52:16 <josema> renato: you mentioned UK government about what's missing, some document available?
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Unknown renato: you mentioned UK government about what's missing, some document available? ←
07:52:56 <josema> john: the underlying license we have seems to be better for the lawyers that are examining it
John Sheridan: the underlying license we have seems to be better for the lawyers that are examining it ←
07:53:16 <josema> ... presentation of CC is ok, but the underlying license we have seems o be much better
... presentation of CC is ok, but the underlying license we have seems o be much better ←
07:53:59 <rigo> go adapt CC UK, had the same issue with GPLv3 and addressed with them
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Unknown rigo: go adapt CC UK, had the same issue with GPLv3 and addressed with them ←
07:54:04 <rigo> was JS
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Unknown rigo: was JS ←
07:54:30 <rigo> John: where we license for free, we have a comprehensive before CC was issued
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John Sheridan: where we license for free, we have a comprehensive before CC was issued [ Scribe Assist by Unknown rigo ] ←
07:55:09 <rigo> ...now who is supposed to follow who?
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Unknown rigo: ...now who is supposed to follow who? ←
07:55:31 <rigo> ...can start by linking licensing stuff with ontology
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Unknown rigo: ...can start by linking licensing stuff with ontology ←
07:56:04 <rigo> ....IP issue of third party rights, from re-use perspective has to take that into account
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Unknown rigo: ....IP issue of third party rights, from re-use perspective has to take that into account ←
07:57:05 <josema> rigo: with the labeling framework we have in mind this is something you could do??
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Unknown rigo: with the labeling framework we have in mind this is something you could do?? ←
07:57:16 <mamol> John: the use of RDFa might solve these problems
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John Sheridan: the use of RDFa might solve these problems [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mamol ] ←
07:57:20 <rigo> ..using RDFa in semi automated structure, testing if combinantion of data creates new data base rights
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Unknown rigo: ..using RDFa in semi automated structure, testing if combinantion of data creates new data base rights ←
07:57:27 <josema> ... eg. using RDFa to describe the license of this and that part of a given doucument
... eg. using RDFa to describe the license of this and that part of a given doucument ←
07:58:00 <josema> rigo: one of my concerns is why is everybody following the CC wagon? even W3C
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Unknown rigo: one of my concerns is why is everybody following the CC wagon? even W3C ←
07:58:22 <josema> ... because it makes people's life easier to understand the basic text and not thousands of lines
... because it makes people's life easier to understand the basic text and not thousands of lines ←
07:58:47 <josema> renato: and they only offer a few of those with names that are easy to identify ??
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Unknown renato: and they only offer a few of those with names that are easy to identify ?? ←
07:59:23 <josema> jan: they still own the trademark, they have the updating process and ???
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Unknown jan: they still own the trademark, they have the updating process and ??? ←
08:00:21 <josema> john: licensing system for the public sector have to permit commercial reuse, this is very important
John Sheridan: licensing system for the public sector have to permit commercial reuse, this is very important ←
08:00:42 <josema> ... because if not the PSI sector would die ????
... because if not the PSI sector would die ???? ←
08:01:39 <josema> rigo: if you take geolocation as example, in US you pay say $10 for using it
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Unknown rigo: if you take geolocation as example, in US you pay say $10 for using it ←
08:02:01 <rigo> in EU you fly over and photograph again
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Unknown rigo: in EU you fly over and photograph again ←
08:03:29 <josema> renato: great conversation, hope useful for both groups, let's keep in touch and share info
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Unknown renato: great conversation, hope useful for both groups, let's keep in touch and share info ←
08:03:35 <josema> [mini break]
[mini break] ←
08:03:44 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
rrsagent, pointer? ←
08:03:44 <RRSAgent> See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T08-03-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T08-03-44 ←
08:04:16 <Zakim> -trond
Zakim IRC Bot: -trond ←
08:05:44 <josema> topic: plan, deliverables and specific use cases
08:06:29 <josema> john: let's start with the most interesting use cases so far
John Sheridan: let's start with the most interesting use cases so far ←
08:06:39 <josema> ... policy with respect to data sharing
... policy with respect to data sharing ←
08:06:45 <josema> ... and property rights expression
... and property rights expression ←
08:07:16 <josema> ... also something around "your Web site is your API"
... also something around "your Web site is your API" ←
08:07:31 <josema> ... ways for people to reuse data and enable data reuse
... ways for people to reuse data and enable data reuse ←
08:08:23 <josema> ... something which is more a policy issue is what kind of framework gov might have to make decissions
... something which is more a policy issue is what kind of framework gov might have to make decissions ←
08:08:33 <josema> .. about what data should be released and how
.. about what data should be released and how ←
08:09:12 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
08:09:16 <josema> ... another one on participation of public officials in social media and in C2C conversations
... another one on participation of public officials in social media and in C2C conversations ←
08:09:42 <BeNg> jose : discuss these cases before going into detail with policy or technology
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Unknown BeNg: jose : discuss these cases before going into detail with policy or technology ←
08:10:53 <josema> martin: add identification and authentication issue there
Martin Mollema: add identification and authentication issue there ←
08:11:58 <josema> beng: also about the different levels of "visibility" of the data and how a citizen can communicate information and if that can be reusable or not ??
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Unknown beng: also about the different levels of "visibility" of the data and how a citizen can communicate information and if that can be reusable or not ?? ←
08:12:44 <josema> john: 1) G2G data sharing
John Sheridan: 1) G2G data sharing ←
08:13:03 <josema> ... 2) "your Web site is you API"
... 2) "your Web site is you API" ←
08:13:43 <josema> ... 3) licensing rights expression to enable reuse
... 3) licensing rights expression to enable reuse ←
08:14:03 <josema> ... 4) what government data does the Web need?
... 4) what government data does the Web need? ←
08:14:10 <josema> ... eg: mapping
... eg: mapping ←
08:14:31 <josema> ... how do make that decision and what business models you should use?
... how do make that decision and what business models you should use? ←
08:14:50 <josema> beng: how do you envision the contribution of the Group in this area?
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Unknown beng: how do you envision the contribution of the Group in this area? ←
08:15:05 <josema> john: take a step back, see what's out there and how
John Sheridan: take a step back, see what's out there and how ←
08:15:21 <josema> martin: eg. do you want to rely on Google mahsups for such an information?
Martin Mollema: eg. do you want to rely on Google mahsups for such an information? ←
08:15:35 <josema> ... very simple question, maybe difficult to answer
... very simple question, maybe difficult to answer ←
08:16:21 <josema> ... and government agencies have better mapping info
... and government agencies have better mapping info ←
08:16:31 <josema> john: 5) participation in social media
John Sheridan: 5) participation in social media ←
08:16:50 <josema> ... 6) identification and authentication
... 6) identification and authentication ←
08:18:07 <josema> beng: aggregation but also timing, until when you'd be able to use it
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Unknown beng: 7) aggregation but also timing, until when you'd be able to use it ←
08:18:20 <josema> martin: ??
Martin Mollema: ?? ←
08:18:51 <josema> s/aggregation/ 7) aggregation
08:19:56 <josema> oscar: long term archiving, there are different requirements in the physical archives world
Oscar Azanon Esteire: long term archiving, there are different requirements in the physical archives world ←
08:20:31 <josema> ... in the digital world there are differences, but you need to look into the challenges
... in the digital world there are differences, but you need to look into the challenges ←
08:21:00 <josema> ... should I encrypt? until what extent? until when that digital signature will last? etc.
... should I encrypt? until what extent? until when that digital signature will last? etc. ←
08:21:35 <josema> martin: we should add the migration from hard copy to digital
Martin Mollema: we should add the migration from hard copy to digital ←
08:21:43 <josema> ... to that case
... to that case ←
08:22:22 <josema> john: 8) digital preservation
John Sheridan: 8) digital preservation ←
08:23:19 <josema> beng: and you must be able to destroy info when law says that
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Unknown beng: and you must be able to destroy info when law says that ←
08:23:21 <josema> ??
?? ←
08:24:38 <josema> john: paper world also has the single place storage and ???
John Sheridan: paper world also has the single place storage and ??? ←
08:25:13 <josema> martin: that's the 3rd item, maybe not significant for eArchiving ????
Martin Mollema: that's the 3rd item, maybe not significant for eArchiving ???? ←
08:26:51 <josema> john: census data in the UK every ten years
John Sheridan: census data in the UK every ten years ←
08:27:06 <josema> ... but only released every 100 years
... but only released every 100 years ←
08:27:26 <josema> ... if we had to digitize we'd need loads of money because the data is so big
... if we had to digitize we'd need loads of money because the data is so big ←
08:27:48 <josema> ... how this could work in the future?
... how this could work in the future? ←
08:28:13 <josema> ... digital continuity project is about middle distance, eg. ensure you could get the info in 15 years from today
... digital continuity project is about middle distance, eg. ensure you could get the info in 15 years from today ←
08:29:16 <josema> ... also the issue of autheticity is of importance, still open questions
... also the issue of autheticity is of importance, still open questions ←
08:29:43 <josema> oscar: maybe we can ask the XML DSig people?
Oscar Azanon Esteire: maybe we can ask the XML DSig people? ←
08:30:32 <josema> martin: issue I have is that stuff made this way seems to be done
Martin Mollema: issue I have is that stuff made this way seems to be done ←
08:31:01 <josema> ... for instant use, may be broken in the near future ?????
... for instant use, may be broken in the near future ????? ←
08:31:17 <josema> oscar: issue I see is that we are doubling the number of bytes every year
Oscar Azanon Esteire: issue I see is that we are doubling the number of bytes every year ←
08:31:40 <josema> martin: you need to have a new signature attached before the old one expires
Martin Mollema: you need to have a new signature attached before the old one expires ←
08:32:24 <BeNg> jose : many EU govs are archiving their documents in proprietory formats
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Unknown BeNg: jose : many EU govs are archiving their documents in proprietory formats ←
08:32:39 <BeNg> ... in spain you as a citizen have a right to communicate with the gov in any format you want
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Unknown BeNg: ... in spain you as a citizen have a right to communicate with the gov in any format you want ←
08:32:48 <BeNg> .. you can send a word doc digitally signed they need to archive
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Unknown BeNg: .. you can send a word doc digitally signed they need to archive ←
08:32:56 <BeNg> ... and they cannont touch the doc
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Unknown BeNg: ... and they cannont touch the doc ←
08:33:04 <BeNg> martin : can they print it out ?
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Unknown BeNg: martin : can they print it out ? ←
08:33:09 <BeNg> oscar : the what happens to the signature
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Unknown BeNg: oscar : the what happens to the signature ←
08:33:23 <BeNg> jose : no real answer yet
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Unknown BeNg: jose : no real answer yet ←
08:35:34 <john> You may like to think: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/electronicrecords/digitalcontinuity/default.htm
John Sheridan: You may like to think: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/electronicrecords/digitalcontinuity/default.htm ←
08:35:51 <john> not think, see
John Sheridan: not think, see ←
08:36:09 <josema> zakim, esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph
zakim, esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph ←
08:36:09 <Zakim> +oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph; got it
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08:36:23 <josema> zakim, klaus has entered esterel
zakim, klaus has entered esterel ←
08:36:23 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
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08:36:56 <BeNg> q+ for a question on signatures
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Unknown BeNg: q+ for a question on signatures ←
08:37:38 <josema> john: government does not keep emails for long
John Sheridan: government does not keep emails for long ←
08:37:51 <josema> ... some may be trivial, but some may be very useful
... some may be trivial, but some may be very useful ←
08:38:08 <josema> .. eg. to understand the social networks public servant have
.. eg. to understand the social networks public servant have ←
08:38:23 <josema> ... how the relate, and I could do network analysis and improve my business
... how the relate, and I could do network analysis and improve my business ←
08:38:45 <josema> martin: exactly the answer why you should not convert a Word doc into PDF and just store the PDF one
Martin Mollema: exactly the answer why you should not convert a Word doc into PDF and just store the PDF one ←
08:38:55 <josema> ... there are historical aspects involved
... there are historical aspects involved ←
08:39:37 <josema> ... I'm interested in digital workflow of the docs
... I'm interested in digital workflow of the docs ←
08:40:25 <josema> ack be
ack be ←
08:40:26 <Zakim> BeNg, you wanted to discuss a question on signatures
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08:40:48 <josema> beng: how are the documents re-sign?
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Unknown beng: how are the documents are re-sign? ←
08:40:51 <BeNg> q-
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Unknown BeNg: q- ←
08:41:17 <josema> martin: both things separate and renew of signature ??
Martin Mollema: both things separate and renew of signature ?? ←
08:41:32 <josema> s/documents/documents are
08:43:01 <josema> [discussion is leading to trust again]
[discussion is leading to trust again] ←
08:43:32 <josema> john: you can scope the size of conspiracy you need
John Sheridan: you can scope the size of conspiracy you need ←
08:43:36 <josema> ... in the digital world
... in the digital world ←
08:43:46 <josema> ... spread the info to as many places as needed
... spread the info to as many places as needed ←
08:43:59 <josema> ... and inject that info here and there
... and inject that info here and there ←
08:44:29 <josema> beng: but if it's sensitive data you might not want to have millions of people getting that data
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Unknown beng: but if it's sensitive data you might not want to have millions of people getting that data ←
08:45:54 <josema> john: authenticity is for good while sensitivity degrades over time
John Sheridan: authenticity is for good while sensitivity degrades over time ←
08:47:16 <josema> martin: there are many aspects around this that need to be looked into
Martin Mollema: there are many aspects around this that need to be looked into ←
08:47:32 <josema> ... we need to conclude this is a big concern, and we don't have the solutions
... we need to conclude this is a big concern, and we don't have the solutions ←
08:47:44 <josema> ... we need to raise this with other Groups
... we need to raise this with other Groups ←
08:48:07 <josema> john: I think I can also commit my organization to produce a first draft for the Group to discuss
John Sheridan: I think I can also commit my organization to produce a first draft for the Group to discuss ←
08:48:22 <josema> ... it touches on our core business
... it touches on our core business ←
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09:41:01 <josema> scribeNick: mamol
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09:42:17 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
09:42:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema ←
09:42:51 <josema> scribe: martin
(Scribe set to Martin Mollema)
09:43:18 <mamol> the link http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf
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Unknown mamol: the link http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf ←
09:46:25 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
09:46:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel ←
09:46:26 <Zakim> Esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus ←
09:46:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rinke, darobin, Vagner-br, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rinke, darobin, Vagner-br, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
09:46:29 <john> We have a similar system in the UK: http://www.gateway.gov.uk/
John Sheridan: We have a similar system in the UK: http://www.gateway.gov.uk/ ←
09:48:21 <josema> [topic areas on starting flipchart: http://dristachi.site/2008/10/eGov_flipchart_start.jpg]
José Alonso: [topic areas on starting flipchart: http://dristachi.site/2008/10/eGov_flipchart_start.jpg] ←
09:49:58 <josema> [taking up 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C)]
José Alonso: [taking up 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C)] ←
09:50:11 <josema> topic: discussion of big topic areas
09:50:26 <john> issue that we have authentication systems for government interaction, but not for other web transactions
John Sheridan: issue that we have authentication systems for government interaction, but not for other web transactions ←
09:54:43 <josema> [attendants to focus on discussion, scribing will be more summarized]
José Alonso: [attendants to focus on discussion, scribing will be more summarized] ←
09:57:09 <josema> [actions to show what is solved and what is not]
José Alonso: [actions to show what is solved and what is not] ←
09:57:22 <josema> [from the government point of view]
José Alonso: [from the government point of view] ←
10:03:40 <josema> RESOLVED: 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) to capture how it's working right now and how the complex problems related to G2G data sharing work to deliver a seamless authentication experience to the citizen
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RESOLVED: 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) to capture how it's working right now and how the complex problems related to G2G data sharing work to deliver a seamless authentication experience to the citizen ←
10:03:46 <john> different problems for businesses...
John Sheridan: different problems for businesses... ←
10:05:19 <josema> ACTION: martin to elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C)
ACTION: martin to elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) ←
10:05:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) [on Martin Mollema - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) [on Martin Mollema - due 2008-10-31]. ←
10:06:07 <josema> [taking up 8. Data Aggregation and Temporal Degradation (G2G)]
José Alonso: [taking up 8. Data Aggregation and Temporal Degradation (G2G)] ←
10:07:50 <josema> [discussion on how the government guarantees the citizen how the data is stored and shared]
José Alonso: [discussion on how the government guarantees the citizen how the data is stored and shared] ←
10:11:08 <josema> [also about eVoting and some flaws in systems]
José Alonso: [also about eVoting and some flaws in systems] ←
10:13:04 <john> On electronic voting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY
John Sheridan: On electronic voting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY ←
10:13:30 <john> titled "the American voting system HACKED"
John Sheridan: titled "the American voting system HACKED" ←
10:13:53 <josema> [eVoting as an example in this topic area]
José Alonso: [eVoting as an example in this topic area] ←
10:17:39 <josema> [there might be a need to build some systems thinking from the beginning in non-retrivable information]
José Alonso: [there might be a need to build some systems thinking from the beginning in non-retrivable information] ←
10:22:56 <josema> [should we divide into two and add temporal degradation to digital preservation?]
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José Alonso: [should we divide into two and add temporal degradation to digital preservation?] ←
10:23:02 <josema> [all agree]
José Alonso: [all agree] ←
10:25:17 <josema> RESOLUTION: 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) to capture how it's working right now and how the complex problems related to G2G data sharing work to deliver a seamless authentication experience to the citizen
RESOLVED: 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) to capture how it's working right now and how the complex problems related to G2G data sharing work to deliver a seamless authentication experience to the citizen ←
10:26:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema ←
10:27:35 <josema> scribeNick: josema
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10:27:39 <josema> scribe: josema
10:34:17 <josema> RESOLUTION: move temporal degradation from 8. to 5. digital preservation
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RESOLVED: move temporal degradation from 8. to 5. digital preservation ←
10:35:25 <josema> [some discussion about rewriting story]
[some discussion about rewriting story] ←
10:36:09 <josema> [we need something about temporal change of data, different from degradation]
[we need something about temporal change of data, different from degradation] ←
10:37:47 <josema> RESOLUTION: add 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial
RESOLVED: add 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial ←
10:43:37 <josema> ACTION beng to find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation
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ACTION beng to find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation ←
10:43:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - beng
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - beng ←
10:43:45 <josema> ACTION benjamin to find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation
ACTION benjamin to find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation ←
10:43:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation [on Benjamin Nguyen - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Find use case on eVoting to illustrate 8. Data Aggregation [on Benjamin Nguyen - due 2008-10-31]. ←
10:49:47 <josema> [some topic don't need much discussion now, since they were discussed yesterday and it's on the record]
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[some topic don't need much discussion now, since they were discussed yesterday and it's on the record] ←
10:50:15 <josema> [in some cases we'll need to raise the issues and not show solutions yet]
[in some cases we'll need to raise the issues and not show solutions yet] ←
10:52:12 <josema> [need to find route for SEMIC.EU to provide 1. Semantic Interoperability]
[need to find route for SEMIC.EU to provide 1. Semantic Interoperability] ←
10:54:12 <josema> [some people in the Group are also interested in helping with this, but no present, ask in next call]
[some people in the Group are also interested in helping with this, but no present, ask in next call] ←
10:56:26 <josema> [3 is quite related to 9]
[3 is quite related to 9] ←
10:59:36 <josema> [for 9. and data mashups in general see http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/faq#q9]
[for 9. and data mashups in general see http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/faq#q9] ←
11:06:10 <josema> [LUNCH]
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[LUNCH] ←
12:01:06 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
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rrsagent, pointer? ←
12:01:06 <RRSAgent> See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T12-01-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T12-01-06 ←
12:16:04 <john> Before we resume, you might like to see: http://www.civilservicenetwork.com/news/article.html?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=56852&tx_ttnews[backPid]=20&cHash=21d372ab2a
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John Sheridan: Before we resume, you might like to see: http://www.civilservicenetwork.com/news/article.html?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=56852&tx_ttnews[backPid]=20&cHash=21d372ab2a ←
12:19:40 <josema> zakim, who's here
zakim, who's here ←
12:19:40 <Zakim> josema, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you need to end that query with '?' ←
12:19:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
12:19:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel ←
12:19:45 <Zakim> Esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus ←
12:19:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
12:19:52 <josema> renke left esterel
renke left esterel ←
12:20:00 <josema> zakim, renke left esterel
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12:20:00 <Zakim> -renke; got it
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Zakim IRC Bot: -renke; got it ←
12:20:14 <josema> zakim, ralph left esterel
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12:20:14 <Zakim> -ralph; got it
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Zakim IRC Bot: -ralph; got it ←
12:20:19 <josema> zakim, klaus left esterel
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12:20:19 <Zakim> -klaus; got it
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Zakim IRC Bot: -klaus; got it ←
12:20:40 <josema> zakim, esterel has karen
zakim, esterel has karen ←
12:20:41 <Zakim> +karen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +karen; got it ←
12:20:49 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
12:20:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel ←
12:20:53 <Zakim> Esterel has karen
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has karen ←
12:20:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, mamol, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
12:23:17 <john> perfect
12:23:36 <josema> s/perfect//
12:31:52 <josema> ACTION: jose to find route for SEMIC.EU to be engaged in the IG and provide cases for 1. Semantic Interoperability
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ACTION: jose to find route for SEMIC.EU to be engaged in the IG and provide cases for 1. Semantic Interoperability ←
12:31:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jose
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jose ←
12:32:01 <josema> ACTION: josema to find route for SEMIC.EU to be engaged in the IG and provide cases for 1. Semantic Interoperability
ACTION: josema to find route for SEMIC.EU to be engaged in the IG and provide cases for 1. Semantic Interoperability ←
12:32:01 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - josema
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - josema ←
12:33:32 <josema> [ACTION was not recorded by trackbot, but by RRSAgent]
[ACTION was not recorded by trackbot, but by RRSAgent] ←
12:34:10 <josema> ACTION: john to find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs
ACTION: john to find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs ←
12:34:10 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
12:34:10 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
12:34:20 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs
ACTION: jsherida to find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs ←
12:34:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Find use case to illustrate 2. Persistent URIs [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:35:19 <josema> ACTION oscar to find use case for number 9. your web site is your API
ACTION oscar to find use case for number 9. your web site is your API ←
12:35:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Find use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on Oscar Azanon Esteire - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Find use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on Oscar Azanon Esteire - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:35:25 <josema> ACTION martin to find use case for number 9. your web site is your API
ACTION martin to find use case for number 9. your web site is your API ←
12:35:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Find use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on Martin Mollema - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Find use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on Martin Mollema - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:35:40 <josema> ACTION john to help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API
ACTION john to help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API ←
12:35:40 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
12:35:40 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
12:35:47 <josema> ACTION jsherida to help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API
ACTION jsherida to help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API ←
12:35:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-20 - Help with use case for number 9. your web site is your API [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:36:31 <josema> [no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression]
[no ACTION yet for 4. Data Sharing Policy Expression] ←
12:36:56 <josema> s/2./4.
12:38:24 <josema> ACTION: john to find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation
ACTION: john to find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation ←
12:38:24 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
12:38:24 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
12:38:35 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation
ACTION: jsherida to find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation ←
12:38:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-21 - Find people within the organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:41:35 <josema> ACTION: unassigned to find use case on 6. I.P. Expression unassigned
ACTION: unassigned to find use case on 6. I.P. Expression unassigned ←
12:41:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Find use case on 6. I.P. Expression unassigned [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-22 - Find use case on 6. I.P. Expression unassigned [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:41:52 <josema> s/[no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression]//
s/[no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression]// (warning: replacement failed) ←
12:42:07 <josema> ACTION: unassigned to [no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression]
ACTION: unassigned to [no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression] ←
12:42:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - [no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression] [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-23 - [no ACTION yet for 2. Data Sharing Policy Expression] [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:44:46 <josema> [should we use the TF structure?]
[should we use the TF structure?] ←
12:46:34 <josema> ACTION: oscar to Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C)
ACTION: oscar to Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) ←
12:46:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) [on Oscar Azanon Esteire - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-24 - Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) [on Oscar Azanon Esteire - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:49:35 <mamol> test
Scribe problem: the name 'mamol' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'mamol' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown mamol: test ←
12:50:00 <john> On RDFa you may like to see: http://www.talis.com/nodalities/ and check out the article "Call to arms"
John Sheridan: On RDFa you may like to see: http://www.talis.com/nodalities/ and check out the article "Call to arms" ←
12:50:36 <josema> ACTION: unassigned to 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide
ACTION: unassigned to 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide ←
12:50:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-25 - 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:51:48 <mamol> Martin has contacted IDABC to check whether RDFA might be a useful addition to the research currently undertaken on Open Document Exchange Formats, which primarily focused on comparison of ODF and OOXML
Scribe problem: the name 'mamol' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'mamol' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown mamol: Martin has contacted IDABC to check whether RDFA might be a useful addition to the research currently undertaken on Open Document Exchange Formats, which primarily focused on comparison of ODF and OOXML ←
12:52:03 <josema> ACTION: unassigned to 11. Participation in Social Media (what are the rules?)
ACTION: unassigned to 11. Participation in Social Media (what are the rules?) ←
12:52:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - 11. Participation in Social Media (what are the rules?) [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-26 - 11. Participation in Social Media (what are the rules?) [on Unassigned - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:53:11 <josema> ACTION: benjamin to work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial
ACTION: benjamin to work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial ←
12:53:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial [on Benjamin Nguyen - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-27 - Work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial [on Benjamin Nguyen - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:53:21 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial
ACTION: jsherida to work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial ←
12:53:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-28 - Work on 12. Temporal Data: legislation/legal and geospatial [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
12:53:26 <john> UK Gov guidelines on participation on social media: http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/iam/codes/social_media/participation.asp
John Sheridan: UK Gov guidelines on participation on social media: http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/iam/codes/social_media/participation.asp ←
12:54:05 <josema> topic: your Web site is your API
12:54:49 <josema> [more discussion on 9, 10 and 11]
[more discussion on 9, 10 and 11] ←
12:56:11 <john> We talked about fixmystreet: http://www.fixmystreet.com/
John Sheridan: We talked about fixmystreet: http://www.fixmystreet.com/ ←
12:56:30 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
rrsagent, pointer? ←
12:56:30 <RRSAgent> See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T12-56-30
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-irc#T12-56-30 ←
12:56:33 <john> as an example NGO in this area
John Sheridan: as an example NGO in this area ←
12:56:40 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
12:56:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema ←
12:56:42 <Zakim> +owen
Zakim IRC Bot: +owen ←
12:57:22 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
12:57:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel, owen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel, owen ←
12:57:23 <Zakim> Esterel has karen
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has karen ←
12:57:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, mamol, Karen, Vagner-br, OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, mamol, Karen, Vagner-br, OCR, darobin, Rinke, BeNg, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
12:57:42 <josema> esterel has also jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin
12:57:54 <josema> s/esterel has also jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin//
12:57:56 <josema> zakim, esterel has also jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin
zakim, esterel has also jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin ←
12:57:56 <Zakim> +also, jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +also, jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin; got it ←
12:58:43 <Owen> Yes but some speakers are clearer than others.
Owen Ambur: Yes but some speakers are clearer than others. ←
12:59:46 <Owen> I like the discussion that is taking place now about performance metrics.
Owen Ambur: I like the discussion that is taking place now about performance metrics. ←
13:01:48 <josema> oscar: this is about the capacity the government has to put the information
Oscar Azanon Esteire: this is about the capacity the government has to put the information ←
13:02:11 <josema> ... available to *everybody*, difficult to say if it's G2C, G2B...
... available to *everybody*, difficult to say if it's G2C, G2B... ←
13:02:27 <josema> ... lots of implications, too (eg. DRM, IPR...)
... lots of implications, too (eg. DRM, IPR...) ←
13:02:59 <josema> [john mentioned RDFa as an example of the way to go]
[john mentioned RDFa as an example of the way to go] ←
13:04:55 <josema> [john reminds the Group of the UK eHealth case and the two sites "serving" it]
[john reminds the Group of the UK eHealth case and the two shealth-related infoes "serving" health-related info] ←
13:05:20 <josema> s/it/health-related info
13:07:18 <Owen> Thanks, Jose. I see the 11 proposed use cases.
Owen Ambur: Thanks, Jose. I see the 11 proposed use cases. ←
13:09:32 <josema> [oscar on also implications about prioritization]
[oscar on also implications about prioritization] ←
13:10:07 <john> We mentioned patient opinion: http://www.patientopinion.org.uk/
John Sheridan: We mentioned patient opinion: http://www.patientopinion.org.uk/ ←
13:10:40 <josema> [martin shows a case in NL]
[martin shows a case in NL] ←
13:11:21 <BeNg> URL is http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/
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13:11:44 <Owen> Jose, it is good to see that some folks have volunteered to do some work on some of the use cases.
Owen Ambur: Jose, it is good to see that some folks have volunteered to do some work on some of the use cases. ←
13:11:54 <josema> yep!
yep! ←
13:13:51 <josema> [on government Web guidelines testing]
[on government Web guidelines testing] ←
13:18:59 <Owen> With reference to Action 25, in the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML.
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Owen Ambur: With reference to ACTION-25, in the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML. ←
13:19:04 <josema> [usually testing 20 pages/site, 16 government sites?]
[usually testing 20 pages/site, 16 government sites?] ←
13:21:06 <josema> ACTION-25 n the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML. (by Owen)
ACTION-25 n the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML. (by Owen) ←
13:21:52 <josema> trackbot, comment ACTION-25 n the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML. (by Owen)
trackbot, comment ACTION-25 n the U.S. the EFOIA Amendments require agencies to make available any records that are requested by anyone and likely to be of interest to three or more citizens. It also requires agencies to take reasonable steps to make information available in whatever form it is requested, e.g., XML. (by Owen) ←
13:21:52 <trackbot> ACTION-25 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-25 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide notes added ←
13:22:49 <josema> I may remind you of the slides I used on Wed. with my other hat on: http://dristachi.site/2008/10/TPAC/CMS_CTIC/
I may remind you of the slides I used on Wed. with my other hat on: http://dristachi.site/2008/10/TPAC/CMS_CTIC/ ←
13:23:40 <josema> [oscar on artificially created rankings to "sell" the solution]
[oscar on artificially created rankings to "sell" the solution] ←
13:24:07 <Owen> The EFOIA amendments are in bold text at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm
Owen Ambur: The EFOIA amendments are in bold text at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm ←
13:25:14 <josema> trackbot, comment ACTION-25 EFOIA amendments are in bold text at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm (by Owen)
trackbot, comment ACTION-25 EFOIA amendments are in bold text at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm (by Owen) ←
13:25:14 <trackbot> ACTION-25 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-25 10. What Data? How does the Government Decide notes added ←
13:26:11 <josema> [martin on the potential of showing errors to governments using tools like this]
[martin on the potential of showing errors to governments using tools like this] ←
13:26:52 <josema> q+ to talk about rankings/tools and point 9.
q+ to talk about rankings/tools and point 9. ←
13:27:30 <john> ack josema
John Sheridan: ack josema ←
13:27:30 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to talk about rankings/tools and point 9.
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to talk about rankings/tools and point 9. ←
13:27:34 <mamol> the test on the quality of websites http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/test/
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Unknown mamol: the test on the quality of websites http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/test/ ←
13:28:32 <mamol> The normative document with the rationale behind the webguidelines: http://www.drempelvrij.nl/media/20070720%20-%20Normative_document_Webguidelines_1_0.pdf
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Unknown mamol: The normative document with the rationale behind the webguidelines: http://www.drempelvrij.nl/media/20070720%20-%20Normative_document_Webguidelines_1_0.pdf ←
13:30:25 <Karen> q+
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Unknown Karen: q+ ←
13:30:49 <josema> ack k
ack k ←
13:31:43 <josema> [jose on finger pointing is not that good]
[jose on finger pointing is not that good] ←
13:33:02 <josema> karen: from Comm POV, I'd use blogs, abstracts for conferences and give presentations
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Unknown karen: from Comm POV, I'd use blogs, abstracts for conferences and give presentations ←
13:33:09 <josema> ... voice opinion of the Group there
... voice opinion of the Group there ←
13:33:44 <josema> ... I'll look at opportunities and find matches for you but need content
... I'll look at opportunities and find matches for you but need content ←
13:34:04 <josema> oscar: we are right now discussing on audience, format, etc.
Oscar Azanon Esteire: we are right now discussing on audience, format, etc. ←
13:34:38 <Owen> With reference to Use Case 3, section 202(b)(1) of the eGov Act requires U.S federal agencies to "develop performance measures that demonstrate how electronic government enables progress toward agency objectives, strategic goals, and statutory mandates." http://xml.gov/documents/completed/eGovXML.htm#202
Owen Ambur: With reference to Use Case 3, section 202(b)(1) of the eGov Act requires U.S federal agencies to "develop performance measures that demonstrate how electronic government enables progress toward agency objectives, strategic goals, and statutory mandates." http://xml.gov/documents/completed/eGovXML.htm#202 ←
13:35:07 <josema> john: for after the break, we'll go through the two points left
John Sheridan: after the break, we'll go through the two points left ←
13:35:30 <josema> ... 10. What Data? and 11. Participation in Social Media
... 10. What Data? and 11. Participation in Social Media ←
13:35:38 <josema> s/for//
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13:39:31 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to work on 3. Performance Data and Citizen Choice
ACTION: jsherida to work on 3. Performance Data and Citizen Choice ←
13:39:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Work on 3. Performance Data and Citizen Choice [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-29 - Work on 3. Performance Data and Citizen Choice [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
13:42:41 <Zakim> -owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←
13:44:49 <Owen> How long is the break and how long do you plan to continue after the break?
Owen Ambur: How long is the break and how long do you plan to continue after the break? ←
14:06:17 <josema> [BACK FROM BREAK]
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14:06:30 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
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14:07:34 <josema> [taking on 10. What Data?]
[taking on 10. What Data?] ←
14:11:36 <Zakim> +owen
Zakim IRC Bot: +owen ←
14:11:37 <Zakim> -owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←
14:11:37 <Zakim> +owen
Zakim IRC Bot: +owen ←
14:13:17 <josema> [john on ways/cost of putting PSI assets online]
[john on ways/cost of putting PSI assets online] ←
14:13:31 <josema> oscar: what is the cost of not putting it?
Oscar Azanon Esteire: what is the cost of not putting it? ←
14:13:56 <josema> martin: some aspects are in laws and gov orgs need to fulfill them
Martin Mollema: some aspects are in laws and gov orgs need to fulfill them ←
14:14:05 <josema> john: agree, it's very common
John Sheridan: agree, it's very common ←
14:14:52 <josema> ... what it really interests me if what is value added of doing this
... what it really interests me if what is value added of doing this ←
14:15:06 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
14:15:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel, owen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel, owen ←
14:15:07 <Zakim> Esterel has also, jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has also, jose, oscar, john, benjamin, martin ←
14:15:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see mamol, Owen, Karen, OCR, darobin, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mamol, Owen, Karen, OCR, darobin, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
14:15:19 <josema> zakim, benjamin left esterel
zakim, benjamin left esterel ←
14:15:19 <Zakim> -benjamin; got it
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Zakim IRC Bot: -benjamin; got it ←
14:16:52 <josema> ... how to surface information that are deeply hidden and it's of value
... how to surface information that are deeply hidden and it's of value ←
14:17:19 <josema> oscar: how can you be sure it's used in the right way?
Oscar Azanon Esteire: how can you be sure it's used in the right way? ←
14:18:00 <josema> john: also, if you do it, how much it does get reused
John Sheridan: also, if you do it, how much it does get reused ←
14:19:50 <josema> martin: looking at it from a legacy POV, I think you could find many areas
Martin Mollema: looking at it from a legacy POV, I think you could find many areas ←
14:20:06 <josema> ... where the gov info is made available for a fee, and it has to do with the publication process
... where the gov info is made available for a fee, and it has to do with the publication process ←
14:20:23 <josema> ... the decision once made to charge for it may now be reconsidered
... the decision once made to charge for it may now be reconsidered ←
14:21:21 <josema> john: can we articulate the case for serendipitous reuse by the government?
John Sheridan: can we articulate the case for serendipitous reuse by the government? ←
14:21:54 <Owen> The folks at Princeton have argued that access to .gov info should be less about "publishing" it and more about making the raw data itself available in readily shareable format.
Owen Ambur: The folks at Princeton have argued that access to .gov info should be less about "publishing" it and more about making the raw data itself available in readily shareable format. ←
14:21:59 <josema> oscar: we need to find examples, one step at a time, and it's important to get out the message
Oscar Azanon Esteire: we need to find examples, one step at a time, and it's important to get out the message ←
14:23:15 <josema> martin: if you try to create it SW-based and you find a situation where you are not in control
Martin Mollema: if you try to create it SW-based and you find a situation where you are not in control ←
14:23:28 <josema> ... you might find yourself in a vendor-locking situation
... you might find yourself in a vendor-locking situation ←
14:23:41 <josema> ... eg. data you store in a social media site
... eg. data you store in a social media site ←
14:23:42 <Owen> In the U.S. the Federal Records Act requires agencies to make and keep records and the E-FOIA Amendments require them, within reason, to make those records available in whatever format requested.
Owen Ambur: In the U.S. the Federal Records Act requires agencies to make and keep records and the E-FOIA Amendments require them, within reason, to make those records available in whatever format requested. ←
14:24:08 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:24:12 <josema> requested by whom? a citizen? a government agency? anybody?
requested by whom? a citizen? a government agency? anybody? ←
14:24:32 <Owen> SOA is a grossly overused term, but if it means anything, it means making data available in readily shareable format.
Owen Ambur: SOA is a grossly overused term, but if it means anything, it means making data available in readily shareable format. ←
14:25:29 <Owen> There is no need to make this issue complicated. The upshot is that all public information should be made available in readily shareable format.
Owen Ambur: There is no need to make this issue complicated. The upshot is that all public information should be made available in readily shareable format. ←
14:26:42 <Owen> The issue is how best to measure and report to citicens how well or poorly their governments are sharing the public information with which they are entrusted.
Owen Ambur: The issue is how best to measure and report to citicens how well or poorly their governments are sharing the public information with which they are entrusted. ←
14:30:18 <josema> jose: we should mention that is good to publish in open raw formats
José Alonso: we should mention that is good to publish in open raw formats ←
14:30:32 <josema> ... but also note the concerns that can arise and should be take into consideration
... but also note the concerns that can arise and should be take into consideration ←
14:30:39 <josema> john: it's really hard to make the policy case
John Sheridan: it's really hard to make the policy case ←
14:31:47 <Owen> Jose, I'm going to need to sign off shortly. I'll look forward to finding other opportunities to contribute to the IG's outputs in the future. As previously expressed, I find F2F meetings very frustrating. I hope this one proves to be more productive than most of those in which I've been involved.
Owen Ambur: Jose, I'm going to need to sign off shortly. I'll look forward to finding other opportunities to contribute to the IG's outputs in the future. As previously expressed, I find F2F meetings very frustrating. I hope this one proves to be more productive than most of those in which I've been involved. ←
14:31:58 <Zakim> -owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←
14:32:11 <john> Thanks for your participation Owen
John Sheridan: Thanks for your participation Owen ←
14:32:42 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
14:32:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Esterel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Esterel ←
14:32:43 <Zakim> Esterel has also, jose, oscar, john, martin
Zakim IRC Bot: Esterel has also, jose, oscar, john, martin ←
14:32:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rinke, mamol, Karen, OCR, darobin, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rinke, mamol, Karen, OCR, darobin, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←
14:32:56 <Karen> q+
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Unknown Karen: q+ ←
14:33:07 <john> ack Karen
John Sheridan: ack Karen ←
14:33:15 <josema> jose: we can use existing cases from the outside
José Alonso: we can use existing cases from the outside ←
14:33:52 <josema> karen: your discussion reminds me of one I had on Health Care and the creation of an ecosystem
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Unknown karen: your discussion reminds me of one I had on Health Care and the creation of an ecosystem ←
14:36:52 <josema> [oscar brainstorming using flipchart]
[oscar brainstorming using flipchart] ←
14:37:38 <john> Is this helpful? http://powerofinformation.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/more-architecture/
John Sheridan: Is this helpful? http://powerofinformation.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/more-architecture/ ←
14:52:23 <josema> q?
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q? ←
14:53:08 <josema> [on Linked Data to show the way here? we would need to "redraw" the cloud in government terms]
[on Linked Data to show the way here? we would need to "redraw" the cloud in government terms] ←
15:00:13 <josema> ACTION: josema to talk to the DBPedia people/Ivan Herman about using the Linked Data/DBPedia approach for 10.
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ACTION: josema to talk to the DBPedia people/Ivan Herman about using the Linked Data/DBPedia approach for 10. ←
15:00:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - josema
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - josema ←
15:01:15 <josema> [sighhh... RECORD action later in trackbot]
[sighhh... RECORD action later in trackbot] ←
15:01:40 <josema> [taken up 11. Participation in Social Media]
[taken up 11. Participation in Social Media] ←
15:17:47 <josema> [discussion about different approaches in several countries]
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[discussion about different approaches in several countries] ←
15:18:32 <josema> the NZ blogging policy: http://yes2privacy.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/blogging-civil-serf-and-pseudonymity/
the NZ blogging policy: http://yes2privacy.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/blogging-civil-serf-and-pseudonymity/ ←
15:19:45 <josema> the UK Participation online guidance: http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/iam/codes/social_media/participation.asp
the UK Participation online guidance: http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/iam/codes/social_media/participation.asp ←
15:20:37 <josema> [about the benefits vs. the risks and how the risks should be identified and addressed, but shouldn't prevent the government of using it]
[about the benefits vs. the risks and how the risks should be identified and addressed, but shouldn't prevent the government from using it] ←
15:21:02 <josema> s/of/from
15:23:21 <Karen> http://dristachi.site/2008/09/msnws/
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Unknown Karen: http://dristachi.site/2008/09/msnws/ ←
15:24:00 <josema> [let's try to send a position paper to the workshop]
[let's try to send a position paper to the workshop] ←
15:24:30 <josema> zakim, drop esterel
zakim, drop esterel ←
15:24:30 <Zakim> Esterel is being disconnected
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15:24:32 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()3:00AM has ended
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15:24:33 <Zakim> Attendees were trond, oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus, karen, owen, also, jose, benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were trond, oscar, john, renke, martin, beng, ralph, klaus, karen, owen, also, jose, benjamin ←
15:25:04 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:25:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:25:24 <mamol> quit
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Unknown mamol: ←
15:25:38 <josema> s/quit//
15:27:47 <josema> http://dristachi.site/2008/Talks/0604-Brazil-JA/Slides#(10)
http://dristachi.site/2008/Talks/0604-Brazil-JA/Slides#(10) ←
15:28:06 <Karen> q+
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Unknown Karen: q+ ←
15:28:19 <josema> ack k
ack k ←
15:28:37 <josema> [on LAFD Twitter]
[on LAFD Twitter] ←
15:29:16 <josema> karen: you might want to run a survey to prioritize your list of topics
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Unknown karen: you might want to run a survey to prioritize your list of topics ←
15:29:27 <josema> ... and publicize it in different ways
... and publicize it in different ways ←
15:30:39 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking
ACTION: jsherida to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking ←
15:30:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-30 - Draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-31]. ←
15:30:58 <josema> ACTION: oscar, martin, josema to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking
ACTION: oscar, martin, josema to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking ←
15:30:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - oscar,
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15:32:20 <josema> ACTION: martin, josema to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking
ACTION: martin, josema to draft position paper for W3C Workshop on future of social networking ←
15:32:20 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - martin,
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - martin, ←
15:33:18 <josema> arghhhhhhhhh..........
arghhhhhhhhh.......... ←
15:33:47 <josema> [josema to REVIEW all actions, find duplicates, RRSagent/trackbot]
[josema to REVIEW all actions, find duplicates, RRSagent/trackbot] ←
15:36:52 <josema> topic: level of detail, roadmap, plan
15:37:12 <josema> jose: which level of detail? should we just compile the use cases? address issues?
José Alonso: which level of detail? should we just compile the use cases? address issues? ←
15:37:37 <josema> martin: pragmatic approach, focus on use cases and act as channel Govs<->W3C Groups
Martin Mollema: pragmatic approach, focus on use cases and act as channel Govs<->W3C Groups ←
15:38:50 <josema> john: I would prefer a narrower time frame, maybe taking contributions until end November
John Sheridan: I would prefer a narrower time frame, maybe taking contributions until end November ←
15:39:01 <josema> ... publish first WD before Christmas
... publish first WD before Christmas ←
15:41:05 <josema> john: review of existing use cases proposals in the wiki is not done yet
John Sheridan: review of existing use cases proposals in the wiki is not done yet ←
15:41:21 <josema> ... but they are more technical than our topic areas here
... but they are more technical than our topic areas here ←
15:41:52 <josema> ... we've been focus on the corpus of the material we should create as Group
... we've been focus on the corpus of the material we should create as Group ←
15:42:01 <josema> ... than to go in depth
... than to go in depth ←
15:51:22 <josema> [topic areas assigned to TFs in flip chart]
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[topic areas assigned to TFs in flip chart] ←
15:55:49 <josema> http://dristachi.site/2008/10/eGov_flipchart_final.jpg
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15:55:54 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
15:56:09 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:56:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes.html josema
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15:56:21 <josema> zakim, bye
zakim, bye ←
15:57:50 <mamol> bye
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Unknown mamol: bye ←
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