Meeting Record

eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 October 2008

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Benjamin Nguyen, John Sheridan, José Alonso, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Martin Mollema, Oscar Azanon Esteire, Owen Ambur, Rachel Flagg, Rinke Hoekstra, Tom van Engers, Unknown BeNg, Unknown OCR

Chair

John Sheridan

Scribe

Benjamin Nguyen, Unknown BeNg

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Convene, agenda adjustments
Introductions - new people onboard?
F2F Meeting debrief
Review of the Topic Areas
Assign people (+use cases) to areas
Next Meeting

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12:39:01 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2008/10/29-egov-irc

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12:39:30 <josema> chair: john

12:39:55 <josema> scribe: benjamin

(Scribe set to Benjamin Nguyen)

12:40:03 <josema> agenda+ Convene, agenda adjustments

José Alonso: agenda+ Convene, agenda adjustments ←

12:40:21 <josema> agenda+ Introductions - new people onboard?

José Alonso: agenda+ Introductions - new people onboard? ←

12:40:35 <josema> agenda+ F2F Meeting debrief

José Alonso: agenda+ F2F Meeting debrief ←

12:40:51 <josema> agenda+ Review of the Topic Areas

José Alonso: agenda+ Review of the Topic Areas ←

12:41:05 <josema> agenda+ Assign people (+use cases) to areas

José Alonso: agenda+ Assign people (+use cases) to areas ←

12:41:18 <josema> agenda+ Next Meeting

José Alonso: agenda+ Next Meeting ←

12:41:20 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

12:56:13 <josema> zakim, this will be egov

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José Alonso: zakim, this will be egov ←

12:56:13 <Zakim> ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←

12:56:17 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

12:58:46 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←

12:58:54 <Zakim> +Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←

12:59:53 <josema> trackbot, start telcon

José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←

12:59:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

12:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←

12:59:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←

12:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

12:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 29 October 2008

13:00:03 <josema> chair: john

13:00:07 <josema> scribe: benjamin

13:00:18 <josema> scribeNick: BeNg

Scribe problem: the name 'BeNg' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

(Scribe set to Unknown BeNg)

13:00:31 <Zakim> -Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←

13:00:31 <Zakim> +Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←

13:00:31 <Zakim> +Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←

13:01:48 <Zakim> +rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: +rachel ←

13:02:02 <Zakim> +owen

Zakim IRC Bot: +owen ←

13:02:47 <Zakim> + +03161830aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +03161830aaaa ←

13:03:09 <josema> zakim, aaaa is martin

José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is martin ←

13:03:09 <Zakim> +martin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin; got it ←

13:04:45 <Zakim> +Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke ←

13:04:58 <Tom> Zakim, Rinke is Tom

Tom van Engers: Zakim, Rinke is Tom ←

13:04:58 <Zakim> +Tom; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tom; got it ←

13:05:25 <BeNg> no problem

no problem ←

13:05:35 <BeNg> josema : john and kevin will join later

josema : john and kevin will join later ←

13:05:45 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, move to next agendum ←

13:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]

1. Convene, agenda adjustments

13:05:48 <BeNg> josema : I will be chairing

josema : I will be chairing ←

13:05:55 <BeNg> josema : any additions to agenda ?

josema : any additions to agenda ? ←

13:06:03 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

13:06:43 <BeNg> josema : [goes through the agenda]

josema : [goes through the agenda] ←

13:07:07 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum ←

13:07:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introductions - new people onboard?" taken up [from josema]

2. Introductions - new people onboard?

13:07:45 <BeNg> josema : is this Tom's first call ?

josema : is this Tom's first call ? ←

13:07:56 <Tom> no it isn't

Tom van Engers: no it isn't ←

13:08:08 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum ←

13:08:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "F2F Meeting debrief" taken up [from josema]

3. F2F Meeting debrief

13:08:20 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Oct/0069

José Alonso: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Oct/0069 ←

13:08:26 <Tom> unfortunately I couldn't be present in the F2F meeting, sorry for that...

Tom van Engers: unfortunately I couldn't be present in the F2F meeting, sorry for that... ←

13:08:29 <Zakim> + +0774702aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0774702aabb ←

13:08:45 <josema> zakim, aabb is john

José Alonso: zakim, aabb is john ←

13:08:45 <Zakim> +john; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←

13:08:58 <BeNg> josema : message sent to the list with minutes

josema : message sent to the list with minutes ←

13:10:02 <josema> zakim, please mute john

José Alonso: zakim, please mute john ←

13:10:02 <Zakim> john should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: john should now be muted ←

13:10:49 <BeNg> josema : very broad, F2F big success

josema : very broad, F2F big success ←

13:10:59 <BeNg> ... 12 areas identified where the group will work

... 12 areas identified where the group will work ←

13:11:03 <josema> http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics

José Alonso: http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics ←

13:11:08 <josema> summary of topic areas

José Alonso: summary of topic areas ←

13:11:34 <BeNg> ... most of the topics on the first day was scoping the work

... most of the topics on the first day was scoping the work ←

13:11:49 <BeNg> ... newt day was review in detail the more complicated issues and assign people to specific areas

... next day was review in detail the more complicated issues and assign people to specific areas ←

13:11:57 <BeNg> s/newt/next

13:12:16 <BeNg> ... eGov must act as a channel between governments and other W3C groups

... eGov must act as a channel between governments and other W3C groups ←

13:12:48 <BeNg> ... if we hear of anything a gov needs, go and inform a group, conversely, see what W3C has to offer and tell this to govs

... if we hear of anything a gov needs, go and inform a group, conversely, see what W3C has to offer and tell this to govs ←

13:12:58 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

13:13:49 <BeNg> martin : we narrowed down the issues to detailled subjects upon whch we can start working upon

martin : we narrowed down the issues to detailled subjects upon whch we can start working upon ←

13:14:15 <BeNg> ... will link to my document

... will link to my document ←

13:14:34 <BeNg> ... issue of authentification shared by many governments

... issue of authentification shared by many governments ←

13:14:52 <BeNg> ... each provider offers its own authentication method

... each provider offers its own authentication method ←

13:15:06 <BeNg> ... main problem is getting a proper ID to each citizen

... main problem is getting a proper ID to each citizen ←

13:15:14 <BeNg> ... and prevent identity fraud

... and prevent identity fraud ←

13:15:34 <josema> zakim, unmute john

José Alonso: zakim, unmute john ←

13:15:34 <Zakim> john should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: john should no longer be muted ←

13:15:56 <Tom> main problem seems to be conflict of interest between vendors. a semantic and technical interoperability solution should solve this

Tom van Engers: main problem seems to be conflict of interest between vendors. a semantic and technical interoperability solution should solve this ←

13:16:07 <martin> I cannot hear John

Martin Mollema: I cannot hear John ←

13:16:15 <josema> zakim, mute john

José Alonso: zakim, mute john ←

13:16:15 <Zakim> john should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: john should now be muted ←

13:16:23 <josema> zakim, drop john

José Alonso: zakim, drop john ←

13:16:23 <Zakim> john is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: john is being disconnected ←

13:16:24 <Zakim> -john

Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←

13:16:27 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

13:16:48 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

13:17:15 <Zakim> +john

Zakim IRC Bot: +john ←

13:18:00 <josema> zakim, mute john

José Alonso: zakim, mute john ←

13:18:00 <Zakim> john should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: john should now be muted ←

13:18:07 <Zakim> -john

Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←

13:18:08 <josema> move the next agendum

José Alonso: move the next agendum ←

13:18:14 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum ←

13:18:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review of the Topic Areas" taken up [from josema]

4. Review of the Topic Areas

13:19:03 <Zakim> +john

Zakim IRC Bot: +john ←

13:19:22 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←

13:19:24 <Zakim> -john

Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←

13:19:32 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Benjamin (27%), john (5%), martin (43%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Benjamin (27%), john (5%), martin (43%) ←

13:19:35 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aacc ←

13:19:48 <josema> zakim, aacc is oscar

José Alonso: zakim, aacc is oscar ←

13:19:48 <Zakim> +oscar; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it ←

13:20:17 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←

13:20:20 <martin> http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf

Martin Mollema: http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf ←

13:20:30 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: martin (27%), Tom (15%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: martin (27%), Tom (15%) ←

13:21:15 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

13:21:38 <josema> ->http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics topic areas

José Alonso: ->http://dristachi.site/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics topic areas ←

13:21:58 <BeNg> josema : check is something is missing from topic areas

josema : check is something is missing from topic areas ←

13:22:31 <BeNg> ... I found one missing over the WE

... I found one missing over the WE ←

13:22:49 <BeNg> ... there already are volunteers to work on some topic areas

... there already are volunteers to work on some topic areas ←

13:23:03 <BeNg> ... others not present can also contribute

... others not present can also contribute ←

13:23:35 <BeNg> ... go through all the topics ?

... go through all the topics ? ←

13:23:44 <Tom> why not

Tom van Engers: why not ←

13:23:58 <Rachel> yes please

Rachel Flagg: yes please ←

13:24:17 <josema> zakim, who's  here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←

13:24:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, martin, Tom, oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, martin, Tom, oscar ←

13:24:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←

13:24:43 <BeNg> josema : semantic interoperability

josema : semantic interoperability ←

13:25:19 <martin> info on http://www.semic.eu/semic/

Martin Mollema: info on http://www.semic.eu/semic/ ←

13:25:28 <BeNg> ... semic: european repository of interoperability assets (XML schemas)

... semic: european repository of interoperability assets (XML schemas) ←

13:25:34 <BeNg> ... used by governments in Europe

... used by governments in Europe ←

13:25:52 <BeNg> ... make assets reusable by others

... make assets reusable by others ←

13:26:16 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code? ←

13:26:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil ←

13:26:30 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←

13:26:35 <Tom> that doesn't sound like semantic interoperability to me but rather sharing data structure

Tom van Engers: that doesn't sound like semantic interoperability to me but rather sharing data structure ←

13:26:44 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P1 is me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P1 is me ←

13:26:44 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it ←

13:27:06 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←

13:27:06 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←

13:27:24 <BeNg> josema : it is difficult to involve semic.eu in the WG

josema : it is difficult to involve semic.eu in the WG ←

13:27:30 <BeNg> ... it is not possible for them to joion W3C

... it is not possible for them to joion W3C ←

13:27:42 <BeNg> ... have them as invited experts ?

... have them as invited experts ? ←

13:27:57 <BeNg> ... they should bring semantic interoperability to the group.

... they should bring semantic interoperability to the group. ←

13:29:08 <martin> q

Martin Mollema: q ←

13:29:13 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

13:29:23 <BeNg> martin : tom points out this is not semantic interoperability

martin : tom points out this is not semantic interoperability ←

13:29:33 <BeNg> ... its supposed to becoma a base to semantic interoperability

... its supposed to become a base to semantic interoperability ←

13:29:46 <BeNg> ... the project started as an XML clearing house (?)

... the project started as an XML clearing house ←

13:29:46 <josema> s/becoma/become

13:29:56 <josema> s/(?)//

13:30:11 <BeNg> ... the idea is now to collect assets and reuse them (or their methodology)

... the idea is now to collect assets and reuse them (or their methodology) ←

13:30:23 <BeNg> Tom : there are more interesting things going on in the legal field

Tom : there are more interesting things going on in the legal field ←

13:30:34 <BeNg> ... criminal records for instance

... criminal records for instance ←

13:30:54 <BeNg> ... it is important to go beyond structural information

... it is important to go beyond structural information ←

13:31:21 <BeNg> martin : legal aspects are part of semic

martin : legal aspects are part of semic ←

13:31:33 <BeNg> tom : not noticeable in the member states

tom : not noticeable in the member states ←

13:31:53 <BeNg> tom : look at the ejustice field

tom : look at the ejustice field ←

13:32:08 <BeNg> ... criminal records are supported by european directives member states must exchange criminal record

... criminal records are supported by european directives member states must exchange criminal record ←

13:32:27 <BeNg> ... there is a need of exchanging the semantic of the criminal records, not just the structure

... there is a need of exchanging the semantic of the criminal records, not just the structure ←

13:32:43 <BeNg> ... can not be understood just by looking at the terms

... can not be understood just by looking at the terms ←

13:32:59 <BeNg> ... we must get compatibility with these records

... we must achieve compatibility with these records ←

13:33:08 <BeNg> s/get/achieve

13:33:26 <BeNg> josema : find people working on this and provide more information, build a use case around this example

josema : find people working on this and provide more information, build a use case around this example ←

13:33:45 <BeNg> ... add it into our document as an example of things going on

... add it into our document as an example of things going on ←

13:34:10 <BeNg> tom : 2 important conferences on this issue, one tomorrow inflorence

tom : 2 important conferences on this issue, one tomorrow in Florence ←

13:34:19 <BeNg> "law on tho internet" (?)

"law on tho internet" (?) ←

13:34:23 <Owen> In the U.S. government the sharing of law enforcement/first responder data is a major thrust, through the National Information Exchange Model (NIEM): http://www.niem.gov/

Owen Ambur: In the U.S. government the sharing of law enforcement/first responder data is a major thrust, through the National Information Exchange Model (NIEM): http://www.niem.gov/ ←

13:34:24 <josema> s/inflorence/ in Florence

13:34:54 <BeNg> [missed the other]

[missed the other] ←

13:35:32 <BeNg> josema : 2nd topic : Persistent URIs

josema : 2nd topic : Persistent URIs ←

13:35:39 <Tom> http://www.ittig.cnr.it/LawViaTheInternet/

Tom van Engers: http://www.ittig.cnr.it/LawViaTheInternet/ ←

13:36:15 <BeNg> ... personnal experience : seems too technical for governments

... personnal experience : seems too technical for governments ←

13:36:21 <John> This is a topic very close to my heart - and an important one for the group - also for the W3C

John Sheridan: This is a topic very close to my heart - and an important one for the group - also for the W3C ←

13:36:27 <Tom> http://www.ictparliament.org/index.php?option=com_search&searchword=wor

Tom van Engers: http://www.ictparliament.org/index.php?option=com_search&searchword=wor ←

13:36:27 <BeNg> ... the W3C must speak in better terms to governments

... the W3C must speak in better terms to governments ←

13:37:16 <BeNg> ... once something goes on the web it must be archived for ever

... once something goes on the web it must be archived for ever ←

13:37:40 <BeNg> ... ie, internet archive

... ie, internet archive ←

13:38:44 <BeNg> ... John volunteered on this topic.

... John volunteered on this topic. ←

13:39:03 <BeNg> josema : Topic 3 :  	Performance Data + Citizen Choice

josema : Topic 3 : Performance Data + Citizen Choice ←

13:39:16 <BeNg> ... noone volunteered at F2F

... noone volunteered at F2F ←

13:39:30 <BeNg> .. we had a long discussion, but we were not sure we were scoping the topic area enough

.. we had a long discussion, but we were not sure we were scoping the topic area enough ←

13:39:44 <BeNg> ... we discussed some example, health in the UK

... we discussed some example, health in the UK ←

13:40:58 <Tom> also important for law cases (just had to release criminals since the original material could not be reproduced in appeal)

Tom van Engers: also important for law cases (just had to release criminals since the original material could not be reproduced in appeal) ←

13:41:00 <Owen> US GPO's summary of results of its beta test of Handles is available at http://www.fdlp.gov/handles/index.html

Owen Ambur: US GPO's summary of results of its beta test of Handles is available at http://www.fdlp.gov/handles/index.html ←

13:41:33 <BeNg> ... publishing gov information in a way the consumers can get it and use it in the way they want

... publishing gov information in a way the consumers can get it and use it in the way they want ←

13:41:51 <Tom> My remark refers to preservation of digital data.

Tom van Engers: My remark refers to preservation of digital data. ←

13:41:53 <BeNg> ... this can take place outside gov web sites

... this can take place outside gov web sites ←

13:42:47 <BeNg> oscar : what is the perception of the data provided by govs to the users

oscar : what is the perception of the data provided by govs to the users ←

13:43:14 <BeNg> ... ie, if you have a child and several schools they can attend, how is data made available ?

... ie, if you have a child and several schools they can attend, how is data made available ? ←

13:43:28 <BeNg> ... The data must be incorporated into decision making of citizens.

... The data must be incorporated into decision making of citizens. ←

13:44:02 <BeNg> ... Information is also shared in C2C (citizen 2 citizen) communities

... Information is also shared in C2C (citizen 2 citizen) communities ←

13:44:23 <BeNg> ... citizen must also be able to shared their experience so as to improve gov services

... citizen must also be able to shared their experience so as to improve gov services ←

13:44:48 <Owen> An article on US LOC's use of PURLs is available at http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2008/10/lc-thomas-imple.html

Owen Ambur: An article on US LOC's use of PURLs is available at http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2008/10/lc-thomas-imple.html ←

13:44:58 <BeNg> ... users can also created their own performance data, use the information in a specific way.

... users can also created their own performance data, use the information in a specific way. ←

13:45:33 <Zakim> -martin

Zakim IRC Bot: -martin ←

13:45:43 <BeNg> josema : topic 4 : Data Sharing Policy Expression

josema : topic 4 : Data Sharing Policy Expression ←

13:46:21 <BeNg> ... main example is the uk survey

... main example is the uk survey ←

13:46:35 <martin> my mobile went down, need to find an adapter

Martin Mollema: my mobile went down, need to find an adapter ←

13:46:53 <BeNg> ... once data is available in an open format, it could be necessary to attach a policy (licence) to the data

... once data is available in an open format, it could be necessary to attach a policy (licence) to the data ←

13:47:40 <BeNg> ... ie, citizens can use the information for free, but a company that will use it for commercial purposes then it needs to pay

... ie, citizens can use the information for free, but a company that will use it for commercial purposes then it needs to pay ←

13:47:49 <BeNg> ... 1) how is data available

... 1) how is data available ←

13:48:08 <BeNg> ... 2) how to attach the policy

... 2) how to attach the policy ←

13:48:14 <Zakim> +martin

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin ←

13:48:20 <BeNg> ... 3) verify that the organizations using the data are following the policies

... 3) verify that the organizations using the data are following the policies ←

13:49:31 <BeNg> josema : Topic 5 : Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation

josema : Topic 5 : Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation ←

13:49:48 <BeNg> ... persistent URIs, but not only

... persistent URIs, but not only ←

13:50:04 <BeNg> ... provenance problem also

... provenance problem also ←

13:50:17 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

13:50:32 <BeNg> .. we compared how the paper world and digital worlds compare

.. we reviewed how the paper world and digital worlds compare ←

13:50:44 <BeNg> s/compared/reviewed

13:51:21 <BeNg> ... another example is how to release information that was once classified after a period of time has gone by

... another example is how to release information that was once classified after a period of time has gone by ←

13:51:28 <Owen> With reference to data sharing policy, the draft XSD for the US FEA DRM contains elements such as <AccessControlProtocol>, <AvailabilityLevel>, and <ConfidentialityLevel>. http://xml.gov/draft/drm20060105.xsd

Owen Ambur: With reference to data sharing policy, the draft XSD for the US FEA DRM contains elements such as <AccessControlProtocol>, <AvailabilityLevel>, and <ConfidentialityLevel>. http://xml.gov/draft/drm20060105.xsd ←

13:51:29 <BeNg> ... and authentify the fact that data was not altered

... and authentify the fact that data was not altered ←

13:52:17 <BeNg> oscar : digital preservation concerns archives

oscar : digital preservation concerns archives ←

13:52:27 <Zakim> -Tom

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tom ←

13:52:29 <Zakim> -Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←

13:52:29 <Zakim> -oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←

13:52:43 <BeNg> I have been cut off

I have been cut off ←

13:52:51 <Tom> so have I

Tom van Engers: so have I ←

13:52:52 <josema> I see, tom and oscar, too :(

José Alonso: I see, tom and oscar, too :( ←

13:53:12 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←

13:53:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, rachel, owen, kjetil (muted), martin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, rachel, owen, kjetil (muted), martin ←

13:53:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see John, OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see John, OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot ←

13:53:17 <OCR> can't hear ..

Scribe problem: the name 'OCR' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown OCR: can't hear .. ←

13:53:28 <OCR> will hangup & join again

Unknown OCR: will hangup & join again ←

13:53:33 <josema> oscar, your phone was disconnected, can you dial in again?

José Alonso: oscar, your phone was disconnected, can you dial in again? ←

13:53:35 <josema> ok

José Alonso: ok ←

13:53:37 <Zakim> +Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin ←

13:53:47 <OCR> zakim, what is the code?

Unknown OCR: zakim, what is the code? ←

13:53:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), OCR

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), OCR ←

13:54:43 <Zakim> +oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar ←

13:55:21 <Zakim> +Tom

Zakim IRC Bot: +Tom ←

13:56:33 <BeNg> oscar : check what the current solutions are : in particular data signatures

oscar : check what the current solutions are : in particular data signatures ←

13:56:54 <BeNg> .. engage with W3C groups to see what is available concerning digital signatures

.. engage with W3C groups to see what is available concerning digital signatures ←

13:57:18 <BeNg> josema : it is the Nat archives core business

josema : it is the Nat archives core business ←

13:57:29 <John> Yup!

John Sheridan: Yup! ←

13:58:14 <josema> benjamin: use case proposed was copying encrypted document ??

Benjamin Nguyen: use case proposed was copying encrypted document ?? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←

13:58:18 <John> would be good to identify which W3C groups we should be talking to

John Sheridan: would be good to identify which W3C groups we should be talking to ←

13:58:22 <josema> ... I might contribute in that aspect

José Alonso: ... I might contribute in that aspect ←

13:58:29 <BeNg> copying encrypted document on a large P2P network

copying encrypted document on a large P2P network ←

13:59:03 <martin> Benjamin: to guarantee integrity over time

Benjamin Nguyen: to guarantee integrity over time [ Scribe Assist by Martin Mollema ] ←

13:59:26 <BeNg> josema : build agendas in future meetings with invited guests

josema : build agendas in future meetings with invited guests ←

13:59:42 <BeNg> .. to interact with them, ie, XML data signatures

.. to interact with them, ie, XML data signatures ←

13:59:45 <John> thats a great idea

John Sheridan: thats a great idea ←

14:00:06 <BeNg> josema : Topic 6 : IPR Expession

josema : Topic 6 : IPR Expession ←

14:00:21 <BeNg> ... licence attached to the data itself is one example

... licence attached to the data itself is one example ←

14:01:04 <John> Are people familiar with ACAP: http://www.the-acap.org/

John Sheridan: Are people familiar with ACAP: http://www.the-acap.org/ ←

14:01:24 <BeNg> josema : martin mentionned the creative comments licence

josema : martin mentionned the creative commons licence ←

14:01:35 <Rinke> s/comments/commons

14:01:44 <BeNg> .. but this licence could be conflicting with the one used in the UK

.. but this licence could be conflicting with the one used in the UK ←

14:01:52 <John> the licence and the technology (cc's use of RDFa) are very interesting

John Sheridan: the licence and the technology (cc's use of RDFa) are very interesting ←

14:02:07 <BeNg> martin : yes, using creative comments restricts some rights granted with the licence used today

martin : yes, using creative comments restricts some rights granted with the licence used today ←

14:02:20 <BeNg> ... this could be linked to the differences between common law and civil law

... this could be linked to the differences between common law and civil law ←

14:02:26 <kjetil> q+

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←

14:02:41 <kjetil> ack me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: ack me ←

14:02:42 <josema> ack m

José Alonso: ack m ←

14:02:58 <kjetil> yeah, I can hear you

Kjetil Kjernsmo: yeah, I can hear you ←

14:03:04 <kjetil> q-

Kjetil Kjernsmo: q- ←

14:03:11 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←

14:03:23 <Zakim> josema, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

14:04:11 <kjetil> well, what I was going to say that what the license says and the technical aspects are different

Kjetil Kjernsmo: well, what I was going to say that what the license says and the technical aspects are different ←

14:04:34 <kjetil> so, the CC RDF/RDFa things could be used

Kjetil Kjernsmo: so, the CC RDF/RDFa things could be used ←

14:05:04 <kjetil> even though one would need different URIs for the actual license permissions and restrictions

Kjetil Kjernsmo: even though one would need different URIs for the actual license permissions and restrictions ←

14:06:32 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me

Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←

14:06:32 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←

14:06:57 <BeNg> josema : Topic 7 :  	Identification + Authentication

josema : Topic 7 : Identification + Authentication ←

14:07:28 <BeNg> martin : see the report that identifies some of the issues to be dealt with

martin : see the report that identifies some of the issues to be dealt with ←

14:07:35 <BeNg> ... use this as a starting point

... use this as a starting point ←

14:07:36 <josema> the report: http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf

José Alonso: the report: http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf ←

14:08:09 <BeNg> martin : this is identified by the dutch gov as a serious problem

martin : this is identified by the dutch gov as a serious problem ←

14:08:21 <BeNg> josema : topic 8 : Data Aggregation

josema : topic 8 : Data Aggregation ←

14:09:00 <josema> benjamin: data from different points of view, government, citizen

Benjamin Nguyen: data from different points of view, government, citizen [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←

14:09:17 <josema> ... how to get aggregated views of that data

José Alonso: ... how to get aggregated views of that data ←

14:09:36 <josema> ... use case eVoting, statistics on specific information, eg: health

José Alonso: ... use case eVoting, statistics on specific information, eg: health ←

14:10:01 <josema> martin: also criminal records

Martin Mollema: also criminal records [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←

14:10:15 <josema> benjamin: put there on temporal degradation

Benjamin Nguyen: put there on temporal degradation [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←

14:10:30 <Owen> Policy guidance for U.S. federal agencies on a common means of identification & authentication is provided at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040827-8.html

Owen Ambur: Policy guidance for U.S. federal agencies on a common means of identification & authentication is provided at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040827-8.html ←

14:10:37 <BeNg> josema : topic 9 : Your Web Site is your API (eg. RDFa, sitemaps?)

josema : topic 9 : Your Web Site is your API (eg. RDFa, sitemaps?) ←

14:11:07 <BeNg> RDFa and sitemaps (XML schema used to make content easier to discover by search engines)

RDFa and sitemaps (XML schema used to make content easier to discover by search engines) ←

14:11:44 <BeNg> oscar : amount o fdata available in public organisations

oscar : amount o fdata available in public organisations ←

14:11:56 <BeNg> ... data is explosed in human readable format

... data is explosed in human readable format ←

14:12:08 <BeNg> ... we want to promote the use of this information in machine readable format

... we want to promote the use of this information in machine readable format ←

14:12:31 <BeNg> ... some experiences have already been done

... some experiences have already been done ←

14:12:48 <BeNg> martin : we are currently working in th NL on a search engine

martin : we are currently working in th NL on a search engine ←

14:13:04 <BeNg> ... to verify that the information retrieved by citizen from a web site is correct

... to verify that the information retrieved by citizen from a web site is correct ←

14:13:38 <BeNg> ... [something about disclaimers on how information is retrieved on the internet]

... [something about disclaimers on how information is retrieved on the internet] ←

14:13:55 <BeNg> ... working on creating an RDF environment

... working on creating an RDF environment ←

14:14:15 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

14:14:25 <BeNg> josema : topic 10 : What Data? How does the government decide?

josema : topic 10 : What Data? How does the government decide? ←

14:14:46 <martin> A disclaimer on infomation found on government websites may in the future be legally binding

Martin Mollema: A disclaimer on infomation found on government websites may in the future be legally binding ←

14:14:48 <BeNg> ... 1) how does the gov decide what data should be made available

... 1) how does the gov decide what data should be made available ←

14:15:03 <BeNg> ... in some countries like the US, there are laws in place stating this

... in some countries like the US, there are laws in place stating this ←

14:15:12 <BeNg> ... in other countries (spain) this does not exist

... in other countries (spain) this does not exist ←

14:15:24 <BeNg> ... 2) what's the best way to put the data out there

... 2) what's the best way to put the data out there ←

14:15:45 <BeNg> ... need to convince some govs of the benefic it has of providing the data

... need to convince some govs of the benefic it has of providing the data ←

14:15:52 <BeNg> ... making a positive case to govs is difficult

... making a positive case to govs is difficult ←

14:16:00 <BeNg> ... find examples of things working right now

... find examples of things working right now ←

14:16:10 <Tom> Also in the NL: except if security or other interests of the state are on stake. Of course data on individuals/businesses is not accessible either.

Tom van Engers: Also in the NL: except if security or other interests of the state are on stake. Of course data on individuals/businesses is not accessible either. ←

14:16:23 <BeNg> ... BDPedia

... DBPedia ←

14:16:38 <kjetil> s/BDPedia/DBPedia/

14:16:54 <josema> s/BDPedia/DBPedia

14:17:25 <josema> http://dbpedia.org

José Alonso: http://dbpedia.org ←

14:17:55 <BeNg> owen : in the US, under the electronic freedom act amendment

owen : in the US, under the electronic freedom act amendment ←

14:18:05 <BeNg> .. agencies must make available any record that are requested by one individual

.. agencies must make available any record that are requested by one individual ←

14:18:11 <BeNg> ... and of interest for at least 3 others

... and of interest for at least 3 others ←

14:18:25 <BeNg> ... agencies must make resonable efforts to share them in any format they are requested

... agencies must make resonable efforts to share them in any format they are requested ←

14:18:40 <BeNg> ... the application is clear : agencies must create and maintain a readily shareable format, such as XML

... the application is clear : agencies must create and maintain a readily shareable format, such as XML ←

14:19:06 <BeNg> ... if they do not do that they break the spirit of the law

... if they do not do that they break the spirit of the law ←

14:19:52 <BeNg> josema : is the issue that they know how to publish in open formats but do not do it ?

josema : is the issue that they know how to publish in open formats but do not do it ? ←

14:20:00 <BeNg> ... or that they do not know how to publish in open format

... or that they do not know how to publish in open format ←

14:20:34 <BeNg> owen : several issues

owen : several issues ←

14:20:55 <BeNg> ... long in responding to requests, agnecies claim they do not have the resources to make information available in a timely manner

... long in responding to requests, agnecies claim they do not have the resources to make information available in a timely manner ←

14:21:15 <BeNg> ... sometimes this is true due to security issues, in other cases, it is a design issu problem with their information systems

... sometimes this is true due to security issues, in other cases, it is a design issu problem with their information systems ←

14:21:27 <BeNg> josema : propose some guidelines to them

josema : propose some guidelines to them ←

14:21:55 <BeNg> owen : they should start by publishing on their web site XML schemas for all their information collections

owen : they should start by publishing on their web site XML schemas for all their information collections ←

14:22:08 <BeNg> ... so we can understand what data they have and build a registry bottom up

... so we can understand what data they have and build a registry bottom up ←

14:22:29 <BeNg> ... once we have understood what information they have, we must then publish to what extent they are publishing said information

... once we have understood what information they have, we must then publish to what extent they are publishing said information ←

14:22:49 <BeNg> ... and take actions if they are not offering enough information

... and take actions if they are not offering enough information ←

14:23:13 <BeNg> ... the data reference model is about sharing of data. I was a member of the  WG that produced this model

... the data reference model is about sharing of data. I was a member of the WG that produced this model ←

14:23:37 <BeNg> ... agencies must implement the DRM as XML Schema on their web sites

... agencies must implement the DRM as XML Schema on their web sites ←

14:23:47 <BeNg> ... but they pushed back against the use of this global schema

... but they pushed back against the use of this global schema ←

14:23:54 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←

14:23:54 <RRSAgent> See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/29-egov-irc#T14-23-54

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://dristachi.site/2008/10/29-egov-irc#T14-23-54 ←

14:23:55 <BeNg> ... they want to continue using their own formats

... they want to continue using their own formats ←

14:24:23 <BeNg> josema : can use this as a use case ?

josema : can use this as a use case ? ←

14:24:50 <BeNg> owen : finalizing the DRM for XML schema would be an outstanding effort

owen : finalizing the DRM for XML schema would be an outstanding effort ←

14:25:59 <josema> ACTION owen to draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data?

José Alonso: ACTION owen to draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data? ←

14:25:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data? [on Owen Ambur - due 2008-11-05].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-33 - Draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data? [on Owen Ambur - due 2008-11-05]. ←

14:26:18 <BeNg> josema : topic 11 : Participation in Social Media; what are the rules ?

josema : topic 11 : Participation in Social Media; what are the rules ? ←

14:26:48 <BeNg> ... all sorts of social media one can think of, and how all this is evolving on the web, ie. twitter

... all sorts of social media one can think of, and how all this is evolving on the web, ie. twitter ←

14:27:18 <BeNg> ... blogs, are posters representing their agencies or not

... blogs, are posters representing their agencies or not ←

14:27:54 <BeNg> ... citizens discussing many issues amongst themselves

... citizens discussing many issues amongst themselves ←

14:28:21 <BeNg> ... UK and NZ example : a policy for the public servants

... UK and NZ example : a policy for the public servants ←

14:29:17 <josema> W3C workshop: http://dristachi.site/2008/09/msnws/

José Alonso: W3C workshop: http://dristachi.site/2008/09/msnws/ ←

14:29:50 <BeNg> ... Karen Myers suggested the workshop above

... Karen Myers suggested the workshop above ←

14:30:12 <BeNg> ... John will draft a position paper on social networking

... John will draft a position paper on social networking ←

14:30:50 <BeNg> topic 12 : Temporal Data

topic 12 : Temporal Data ←

14:30:50 <BeNg> Legislation/Legal (Law Reports)

Legislation/Legal (Law Reports) ←

14:30:50 <BeNg> Geospatial

Geospatial ←

14:31:27 <josema> benjamin: what to do with evolution of data?

Benjamin Nguyen: what to do with evolution of data? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←

14:32:06 <josema> ... if should be possible to refer to specific revisions of a document

José Alonso: ... if should be possible to refer to specific revisions of a document ←

14:32:45 <josema> ... and how link to that in a consistent manner

José Alonso: ... and how link to that in a consistent manner ←

14:32:53 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum ←

14:32:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Assign people (+use cases) to areas" taken up [from josema]

5. Assign people (+use cases) to areas

14:33:23 <BeNg> josema : do this by email

josema : do this by email ←

14:33:54 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda? ←

14:34:27 <BeNg> ... deadline : mid november : topic areas should be fixed

... deadline : mid november : topic areas should be fixed ←

14:34:32 <BeNg> .. and at least one use case per area

.. and at least one use case per area ←

14:34:45 <BeNg> ... not something too deatailled for the moment

... not something too deatailled for the moment ←

14:34:48 <josema> move to next agendum

José Alonso: move to next agendum ←

14:34:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Meeting" taken up [from josema]

6. Next Meeting

14:35:14 <BeNg> josema : next meeting 12 nov

josema : next meeting 12 nov ←

14:35:22 <BeNg> ... at 1500 CET

... at 1500 CET ←

14:35:49 <Zakim> -kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil ←

14:35:57 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←

14:36:00 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←

14:36:01 <Zakim> -owen

Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←

14:36:05 <Zakim> -rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -rachel ←

14:36:06 <Zakim> -Tom

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tom ←

14:36:06 <Zakim> -oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←

14:36:16 <Zakim> -martin

Zakim IRC Bot: -martin ←

14:36:18 <John> sorry for being "on/off"!

John Sheridan: sorry for being "on/off"! ←

14:36:18 <Zakim> -Benjamin

Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←

14:36:23 <BeNg> anything to do to draft minutes jose ?

anything to do to draft minutes jose ? ←

14:36:36 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

14:36:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/29-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2008/10/29-egov-minutes.html josema ←

14:36:37 <Zakim> -Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←

14:36:38 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←

14:36:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, +03161830aaaa, martin, Tom, +0774702aabb, john, +34.98.439.aacc, oscar, kjetil

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, +03161830aaaa, martin, Tom, +0774702aabb, john, +34.98.439.aacc, oscar, kjetil ←

14:36:57 <josema> thanks much benjamin! :)

José Alonso: thanks much benjamin! :) ←

14:37:01 <josema> I take care of cleaning and publishing them

José Alonso: I take care of cleaning and publishing them ←

14:37:07 <BeNg> ok great !

ok great ! ←

14:37:20 <josema> john, I hope I did not miss anything important

José Alonso: john, I hope I did not miss anything important ←

14:37:28 <BeNg> bye all

bye all ←

14:37:34 <John> you did a great job Jose!

John Sheridan: you did a great job Jose! ←

14:37:51 <josema> it took me more than expected to get to the last agendum so still some topic areas without volunteers

José Alonso: it took me more than expected to get to the last agendum so still some topic areas without volunteers ←

14:38:35 <josema> I'll put the areas somewhere in the wiki, and I hope you could take a look at the Activity Plan and change as appropriate

José Alonso: I'll put the areas somewhere in the wiki, and I hope you could take a look at the Activity Plan and change as appropriate ←

14:38:41 <josema> we need to update it

José Alonso: we need to update it ←

14:38:55 <John> good idea - and I agree

John Sheridan: good idea - and I agree ←

14:40:02 <josema> zakim, bye

José Alonso: zakim, bye ←

16:03:19 <josema> rrsagent, bye

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José Alonso: rrsagent, bye ←

16:03:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←

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