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12:46:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-irc ←
12:47:10 <josema> josema has changed the topic to: Group call: April 1, 13:00Z
José Alonso: josema has changed the topic to: Group call: April 1, 13:00Z ←
12:52:09 <josema> agenda+ Scribe, agenda adjustments
José Alonso: agenda+ Scribe, agenda adjustments ←
12:52:24 <josema> agenda+ Any new Members around? Intros.
José Alonso: agenda+ Any new Members around? Intros. ←
12:52:54 <josema> agenda+ Group Note Issues
José Alonso: agenda+ Group Note Issues ←
12:53:12 <josema> agenda+ F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions
José Alonso: agenda+ F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions ←
12:53:32 <josema> agenda+ 2nd Charter and way forward
José Alonso: agenda+ 2nd Charter and way forward ←
12:53:46 <josema> agenda+ What's going on out there?
José Alonso: agenda+ What's going on out there? ←
12:54:10 <josema> agenda+ Next Call: proposed April 15, 13:00Z
José Alonso: agenda+ Next Call: proposed April 15, 13:00Z ←
12:54:13 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
12:54:28 <josema> zakim, this will be egov
José Alonso: zakim, this will be egov ←
12:54:28 <Zakim> ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←
12:59:33 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
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12:59:39 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
12:59:40 <Zakim> +rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: +rachel ←
12:59:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
12:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
12:59:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←
12:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 01 April 2009
12:59:52 <josema> chair: kevin, john
13:00:19 <Zakim> + +1.703.994.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.994.aaaa ←
13:00:24 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aabb ←
13:01:12 <Zakim> +josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema ←
13:01:41 <josema> zakim, aabb is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Daniel_Bennett ←
13:01:42 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
13:02:07 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
13:02:08 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Ken
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Ken ←
13:02:09 <Zakim> +Ken; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken; got it ←
13:02:37 <josema> zakim, ??P12 is Owen
José Alonso: zakim, ??P12 is Owen ←
13:02:37 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen; got it ←
13:02:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen ←
13:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot ←
13:02:46 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:03:20 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
13:03:37 <josema> zakim, ??P13 is dmcallis
José Alonso: zakim, ??P13 is dmcallis ←
13:03:37 <Zakim> +dmcallis; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dmcallis; got it ←
13:05:02 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:05:09 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:05:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis ←
13:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot ←
13:05:42 <josema> regrets+ Chris
José Alonso: regrets+ Chris ←
13:05:56 <dmcallis> dmcallis == DaveMcAllister, Adobe (magic decoder ring)
Dave McAllister: dmcallis == DaveMcAllister, Adobe (magic decoder ring) ←
13:06:16 <Zakim> +AIA
Zakim IRC Bot: +AIA ←
13:06:29 <josema> zakim, AIA is Kevin
José Alonso: zakim, AIA is Kevin ←
13:06:29 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin; got it ←
13:06:35 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis, Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis, Kevin ←
13:06:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot ←
13:07:03 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:07:37 <josema> zakim, Kevin is kevin
José Alonso: zakim, Kevin is kevin ←
13:07:37 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
13:07:42 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:08:33 <josema> next agendum
José Alonso: next agendum ←
13:08:47 <josema> scribe: Daniel
(Scribe set to Daniel Bennett)
13:08:58 <josema> scribeNick: Daniel_Bennet
Scribe problem: the name 'Daniel_Bennet' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Barry Everett Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Ilker Karakas Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Melissa Anley Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown Daniel_Bennet)
13:09:06 <josema> scribeNick: Daniel_Bennett
(Scribe set to Daniel Bennett)
13:09:14 <josema> next agendum
José Alonso: next agendum ←
13:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I can still type
I have been taking some good comments from outside and use the tracker. trying to find a balance on how to handle input.: I can still type ←
13:09:21 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
José Alonso: zakim, close this agendum ←
13:09:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 closed ←
13:09:22 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
13:09:23 <Zakim> 2. Any new Members around? Intros. [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 2. Any new Members around? Intros. [from josema] ←
13:09:25 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
13:09:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Any new Members around? Intros." taken up [from josema]
13:09:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: Hello from Adobe (DaveMcAllister)
Dave McAllister: Hello from Adobe (DaveMcAllister) ←
13:10:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken Fischer: Hi to group
Ken Fischer: Hi to group ←
13:10:23 <josema> [dave heads standards work at Adobe]
José Alonso: [dave heads standards work at Adobe] ←
13:10:31 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
13:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Group Note Issues" taken up [from josema]
13:10:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: talking about comments on group notes
Kevin Novak: talking about comments on group notes ←
13:11:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Keven: issue of ensuring that notes can be read by non-technical readers
... issue of ensuring that notes can be read by non-technical readers ←
13:11:35 <josema> s/Keven:/...
13:11:56 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Kevin: we still have a ways to go on changing text to easier to understand by non-techs
s/Kevin: we still have a ways to go on changing text to easier to understand by non-techs ←
13:12:46 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Jose/ I have been taking some good comments from outside and use the tracker. trying to find a balance on how to handle input.
13:13:00 <josema> http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
José Alonso: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open ←
13:13:23 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Jose/ I will put a link on IRC of the tracker that we can use to take in comments/edits
13:13:41 <Daniel_Bennett> sorry
sorry ←
13:14:06 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
13:14:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema ←
13:14:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Has a comment for Daniel about format of his section
Kevin Novak: Has a comment for Daniel about format of his section ←
13:14:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: had comment that Daniel's section should reflect overall outline
José Alonso: had comment that Daniel's section should reflect overall outline ←
13:15:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: says I know and will change the document accordingly
Daniel Bennett: says I know and will change the document accordingly ←
13:16:18 <Zakim> +john
Zakim IRC Bot: +john ←
13:17:08 <john> Sorry I'm late - just joined the call
John Sheridan: Sorry I'm late - just joined the call ←
13:17:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: thinks that use cases and more solutions should be added
Kevin Novak: thinks that use cases and more solutions should be added ←
13:17:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I agree
Daniel Bennett: I agree ←
13:17:31 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Hi
John Sheridan: Hi ←
13:18:05 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aacc - is perhaps Joe?
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aacc - is perhaps Joe? ←
13:18:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: how should we handle the comment period by April 26
José Alonso: how should we handle the comment period by April 26 ←
13:19:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: How should we balance the comments before vs after?
José Alonso: How should we balance the comments before vs after? ←
13:19:56 <Daniel_Bennett> fix above: Jose: How to handle editing while comments are coming in?
fix above: Jose: How to handle editing while comments are coming in? ←
13:21:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: It will get complicated if we dont hold off on editing.
Daniel Bennett: It will get complicated if we dont hold off on editing. ←
13:21:40 <Daniel_Bennett> John: I agree that it will be hard to account for changes made while edits are coming out.
Kevin Novak: I agree that it will be hard to account for changes made while edits are coming out. ←
13:21:47 <dmcallis> I agree. We should consider them (and potential resolutions) but leave the document static till the open date ends
Dave McAllister: I agree. We should consider them (and potential resolutions) but leave the document static till the open date ends ←
13:22:05 <josema> s/John/Kevin
13:22:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin:This may be a problem for dates, but still a problem to keep editing.
Kevin Novak: This may be a problem for dates, but still a problem to keep editing. ←
13:22:46 <Daniel_Bennett> John: I agree.
John Sheridan: I agree. ←
13:24:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: If we try to get to everything done by date that may not be helpful for the standards.
Kevin Novak: If we try to get to everything done by date that may not be helpful for the standards. ←
13:25:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Process wise for W3C we need to either ask for a delay or we need to finish by the date.
José Alonso: Process wise for W3C we need to either ask for a delay or we need to finish by the date. ←
13:25:38 <Daniel_Bennett> " I would like to have effort to finish the charter in time. Delay only if must.
" I would like to have effort to finish the charter in time. Delay only if must. ←
13:26:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Trying to keep a lot happening while respecting the process.
Kevin Novak: Trying to keep a lot happening while respecting the process. ←
13:26:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: laughs
José Alonso: laughs ←
13:26:22 <john> devils advocate?
John Sheridan: devils advocate? ←
13:27:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: my question is answered. first wait for comments then work on editing.
José Alonso: my question is answered. first wait for comments then work on editing. ←
13:27:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we need a call for additional authors.
José Alonso: we need a call for additional authors. ←
13:28:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: not written in stone who the authors are, please, please, please volunteer
José Alonso: not written in stone who the authors are, please, please, please volunteer ←
13:28:33 <Daniel_Bennett> " especially new members
" especially new members ←
13:28:40 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:28:58 <dmcallis> will review the sections to see if I can add value as author
Dave McAllister: will review the sections to see if I can add value as author ←
13:29:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: You did put out a call?
Kevin Novak: You did put out a call? ←
13:30:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I talked with someone at Adobe about some of the sections
Kevin Novak: I talked with Larry at Adobe about some of the sections ←
13:30:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: clarifies who was talked with.
Dave McAllister: clarifies who was talked with. ←
13:30:16 <josema> s/someone/Larry
13:30:30 <dmcallis> s/Larry/Larry Masinter
13:31:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: If we target the 15th for new material would that be a good date?
Kevin Novak: If we target the 15th for new material would that be a good date? ←
13:31:48 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aadd ←
13:31:49 <Daniel_Bennett> John: agrees
John Sheridan: agrees ←
13:32:14 <ocr> zakim, aadd is ocr
Scribe problem: the name 'ocr' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Barry Everett Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Ilker Karakas Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Melissa Anley Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ocr' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Barry Everett Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Ilker Karakas Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Melissa Anley Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ocr: zakim, aadd is ocr ←
13:32:14 <Zakim> +ocr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ocr; got it ←
13:32:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: is that reasonable for the authors?
Kevin Novak: is that reasonable for the authors? ←
13:32:27 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is oscar ←
13:32:27 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
13:32:32 <josema> http://dristachi.site/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/
José Alonso: http://dristachi.site/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/ ←
13:33:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: not done sections are- Multi-channel Deliver and Long term data mgnt.
José Alonso: not done sections are- Multi-channel Deliver and Long term data mgnt. ←
13:34:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I can not do the Multi-Channel Delivery so still looking, Long Term Data was going to be with Chris
José Alonso: I can not do the Multi-Channel Delivery so still looking, Long Term Data was going to be with Chris ←
13:35:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Chris has an outline
Kevin Novak: Chris has an outline ←
13:35:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Chris told me that it is almost done
José Alonso: Chris told me that it is almost done ←
13:35:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I will talk to him tomorrow.
Kevin Novak: I will talk to him tomorrow. ←
13:36:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Just publish or work on stuff as soon as possible.
José Alonso: Just publish or work on stuff as soon as possible. ←
13:36:22 <Daniel_Bennett> " use the wiki
" use the wiki ←
13:36:43 <josema> editor's draft: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
José Alonso: editor's draft: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note ←
13:36:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: asks for link to editable for editing
Joe Carmel: asks for link to editable for editing ←
13:37:15 <josema> I personally would prefer to have something on http://dristachi.site/Mobile/
José Alonso: I personally would prefer to have something on http://dristachi.site/Mobile/ ←
13:37:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what about just dropping Multi Channel or what is that?
Joe Carmel: what about just dropping Multi Channel or what is that? ←
13:37:24 <josema> ...at least
José Alonso: ...at least ←
13:38:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: We will try and get this dealing with social, etc. included
Kevin Novak: We will try and get this dealing with social, etc. included ←
13:38:32 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: just say mobile? and focus on interop
Joe Carmel: just say mobile? and focus on interop ←
13:38:35 <dmcallis> multi channel == mobile, MID, desktop, living room (TV)
Dave McAllister: multi channel == mobile, MID, desktop, living room (TV) ←
13:39:10 <dmcallis> major impact on data viewing structure
Dave McAllister: major impact on data viewing structure ←
13:39:27 <josema> right Dave, issue is a)we don't have expertise in Group to talk about all of that b)we decided at the F2F that Mobile was enough for now
José Alonso: right Dave, issue is a)we don't have expertise in Group to talk about all of that b)we decided at the F2F that Mobile was enough for now ←
13:39:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: should we stay on basics?
Joe Carmel: should we stay on basics? ←
13:39:51 <josema> are you volunteering? :)
José Alonso: are you volunteering? :) ←
13:40:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: Obama is telling US agencies to keep it simple and raw.
Owen Ambur: Obama is telling US agencies to keep it simple and raw. ←
13:40:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: keep context out there, but we are trying to bring in all countries.
Kevin Novak: keep context out there, but we are trying to bring in all countries. ←
13:40:54 <dmcallis> and the US is behind in the multi channel space
Dave McAllister: and the US is behind in the multi channel space ←
13:41:40 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldn't we deal with syndication, Twitter, Facebook for Multi Channel
Daniel Bennett: shouldn't we deal with syndication, Twitter, Facebook for Multi Channel ←
13:41:46 <josema> zakim, aadd is ocr
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is ocr ←
13:41:46 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
13:41:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we should formulate the base.
Kevin Novak: we should formulate the base. ←
13:42:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we should cite the standards.
Kevin Novak: we should cite the standards. ←
13:42:42 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
13:42:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema ←
13:43:34 <josema> +1 to Owen!
José Alonso: +1 to Owen! ←
13:43:49 <josema> on two way street with socmed sites
José Alonso: on two way street with socmed sites ←
13:44:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldn't we address the standards as a way of explaining how to deal with social media.
Daniel Bennett: shouldn't we address the standards as a way of explaining how to deal with social media. ←
13:44:33 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:45:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: Social Media should work on using standards so that govt can participate.
Owen Ambur: Social Media should work on using standards so that govt can participate. ←
13:45:43 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: Social Media is experimenting so no standards should apply at beginning
Dave McAllister: Social Media is experimenting so no standards should apply at beginning ←
13:46:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: important for govt. should not participate with non-standards
Owen Ambur: important for govt. should not participate with non-standards ←
13:46:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what about syndication
Joe Carmel: what about syndication ←
13:46:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: explains the mechanism.
Dave McAllister: explains the mechanism. ←
13:46:52 <josema> ->http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090325_5490.php GSA signs deals for agencies to use social networking sites
José Alonso: ->http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090325_5490.php GSA signs deals for agencies to use social networking sites ←
13:48:21 <josema> remember also that social media incubator at W3C is coming and we'll coordinate with them
José Alonso: remember also that social media incubator at W3C is coming and we'll coordinate with them ←
13:49:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: wanted to let you know that the folks in govt trenches are dealing with legal issues
Rachel Flagg: wanted to let you know that the folks in govt trenches are dealing with legal issues ←
13:49:14 <Daniel_Bennett> " TOS issues
" TOS issues ←
13:49:42 <Daniel_Bennett> " it takes govt awhile to meet legal concerns first
... it takes govt awhile to meet legal concerns first ←
13:49:52 <josema> s/"/...
13:49:59 <josema> s/"/...
13:50:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: we are working on it
Rachel Flagg: we are working on it ←
13:50:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: it took Lib. of Congress 9 months to deal with Flickr
Kevin Novak: it took Lib. of Congress 9 months to deal with Flickr because of legal issues, technical ones were done in a week ←
13:51:12 <dmcallis> The mechanism for most feeds to twitter et.al. is a specific API between the feed (text) to twitter. There are commercial sites (such as TweetLater) that offer these serviices.
Dave McAllister: The mechanism for most feeds to twitter et.al. is a specific API between the feed (text) to twitter. There are commercial sites (such as TweetLater) that offer these serviices. ←
13:51:24 <josema> s/Flickr/Flickr because of legal issues, technical ones were done in a week
13:51:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: social media issues published.
Rachel Flagg: social media issues published. ←
13:52:07 <dmcallis> The concern is where to draw the line of social media sites. They appear often, offer new capabilities
Dave McAllister: The concern is where to draw the line of social media sites. They appear often, offer new capabilities ←
13:52:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldnt that be posted as a USE CASE for the eGov group
Daniel Bennett: shouldnt that be posted as a USE CASE for the eGov group ←
13:52:38 <josema> clearly, we aim for data-in data-out
José Alonso: clearly, we aim for data-in data-out ←
13:52:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin F: May be the committee should address the broader issues
Kevin F: May be the committee should address the broader issues ←
13:53:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin F: build the framework that government operates under.
Ken Fischer: build the framework that government operates under. ←
13:53:55 <Owen> I need to leave at 10:00 to go to a meeting with folks at the U.S. Courts to discuss records management issues.
Owen Ambur: I need to leave at 10:00 to go to a meeting with folks at the U.S. Courts to discuss records management issues. ←
13:54:08 <josema> s/Kevin F/Ken
13:54:10 <josema> s/Kevin F/Ken
13:54:21 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Jose
thanks Jose ←
13:55:04 <Owen> I hope someone can compile a summary report from the F2F, particularly a listing of follow-up action items, if any.
Owen Ambur: I hope someone can compile a summary report from the F2F, particularly a listing of follow-up action items, if any. ←
13:55:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: govts need to be seen where people are
Rachel Flagg: govts need to be seen where people are ←
13:56:17 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
13:56:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema ←
13:56:22 <dmcallis> do we need to express such data (video) as a recommended standard? encoders/decoders?
Dave McAllister: do we need to express such data (video) as a recommended standard? encoders/decoders? ←
13:56:34 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: Social Media folks have been accommodating
Rachel Flagg: Social Media folks have been accommodating ←
13:57:06 <Owen> With respect to the way forward, it seems to me that it would be best to focus on one or two objectives that we can accomplish fairly quickly and well. However, I suspect the reality is that relatively few of us want to work on the same objectives. If not, I suppose the best we can do is take whatever any of us may be willing and able to contribute.
Owen Ambur: With respect to the way forward, it seems to me that it would be best to focus on one or two objectives that we can accomplish fairly quickly and well. However, I suspect the reality is that relatively few of us want to work on the same objectives. If not, I suppose the best we can do is take whatever any of us may be willing and able to contribute. ←
13:57:49 <dmcallis> did we arrive at the definition of this section ? Multi-channel == socila media?
Dave McAllister: did we arrive at the definition of this section ? Multi-channel == socila media? ←
13:58:04 <josema> thanks Owen, I'll make sure to bring this up
José Alonso: thanks Owen, I'll make sure to bring this up ←
13:58:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: should talk about other forms of reaching out to placing ads, etc.
Ken Fischer: should talk about other forms of reaching out to placing ads, etc. ←
13:58:43 <Owen> Dave, if you're not already aware of StratML and the PDF form we have used to convert many strategic plans to StratML format, I'd like to exchange E-mail with you about it. My address is owen@ambur.net
Owen Ambur: Dave, if you're not already aware of StratML and the PDF form we have used to convert many strategic plans to StratML format, I'd like to exchange E-mail with you about it. My address is owen@ambur.net ←
13:59:15 <dmcallis> sure: dmcallis@adobe.com
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14:00:00 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:00:11 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:00:30 <Zakim> -Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen ←
14:00:41 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←
14:00:41 <RRSAgent> See http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-irc#T14-00-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-irc#T14-00-41 ←
14:00:46 <josema> [Owen leaves call]
José Alonso: [Owen leaves call] ←
14:01:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: suggests breaking up Multi channel should be broken into data standards versus social policy
Daniel Bennett: suggests breaking up Multi channel should be broken into data standards versus social policy ←
14:01:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe and Ken: Twitter is both syndication and online chat
Joe and Ken: Twitter is both syndication and online chat ←
14:02:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: Should govt pick winners?
Joe Carmel: Should govt pick winners? ←
14:03:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: future of public service announcements should be discussed
Ken Fischer: future of public service announcements should be discussed ←
14:03:24 <dmcallis> concern on the aggregator. as this new media evolves, many data types in play, many channels. twitter is simple, video is harder. converstaions bring own channels
Dave McAllister: concern on the aggregator. as this new media evolves, many data types in play, many channels. twitter is simple, video is harder. converstaions bring own channels ←
14:04:24 <Daniel_Bennett> though putting out multiple forms of information needs to be addressed in paper.
though putting out multiple forms of information needs to be addressed in paper. ←
14:04:46 <Daniel_Bennett> this discussion points out that the discussion needs to be reflected in Group Note.
this discussion points out that the discussion needs to be reflected in Group Note. ←
14:04:55 <dmcallis> agreed. this needs to be addressed, perhaps as best practices rather than standards
Dave McAllister: agreed. this needs to be addressed, perhaps as best practices rather than standards ←
14:06:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: it takes a bit of work to participate with outside media.
Kevin Novak: it takes a bit of work to participate with outside media. ←
14:07:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: there is no one place to help promote information
Ken Fischer: there is no one place to help promote information ←
14:08:17 <dmcallis> portal approach ++ social broadcast?
Dave McAllister: portal approach ++ social broadcast? ←
14:08:24 <josema> +1, I think this Group's work is way more Best Practices than Standards and that we should coordinate with the other Groups doing technical work as appropriate
José Alonso: +1, I think this Group's work is way more Best Practices than Standards and that we should coordinate with the other Groups doing technical work as appropriate ←
14:08:46 <kevin> Jose, agree that it a good approach
Kevin Novak: Jose, agree that it a good approach ←
14:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: more efforts to get info out
Ken Fischer: more efforts to get info out ←
14:09:20 <josema> there you have it, we _only_ need to choose the topics ;)
José Alonso: there you have it, we _only_ need to choose the topics ;) ←
14:09:45 <dmcallis> apologies. will need to drop off early today
Dave McAllister: apologies. will need to drop off early today ←
14:10:01 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Dave for participating
thanks Dave for participating ←
14:10:14 <Zakim> -dmcallis
Zakim IRC Bot: -dmcallis ←
14:10:32 <Daniel_Bennett> can we come to a decision on this?
can we come to a decision on this? ←
14:11:20 <Daniel_Bennett> -john suggest creating a London Gazzette for U.S.
-john suggest creating a London Gazzette for U.S. ←
14:11:47 <Daniel_Bennett> John, Kevin,,, what Jose says
John, Kevin,,, what Jose says ←
14:12:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken and Rachel: discussion of how to publish data more openly
Ken and Rachel: discussion of how to publish data more openly ←
14:12:52 <kevin> ok will do
Kevin Novak: ok will do ←
14:13:25 <josema> no matter what we start to discuss (remember: it was multi-channel) we end up discussing OGD
José Alonso: no matter what we start to discuss (remember: it was multi-channel) we end up discussing OGD ←
14:13:37 <josema> in the end it's all about the data!
José Alonso: in the end it's all about the data! ←
14:13:54 <Daniel_Bennett> kevin?
kevin? ←
14:14:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets bring this to conclusion
Kevin Novak: lets bring this to conclusion ←
14:15:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: asks how to decrease burden of publishing on both the govt and outside
Ken Fischer: asks how to decrease burden of publishing on both the govt and outside ←
14:15:47 <john> good discussion!
John Sheridan: good discussion! ←
14:16:04 <josema> +1 to Kevin
José Alonso: +1 to Kevin ←
14:16:29 <josema> no time to do that in a month but we should consider it as year 2 work
José Alonso: no time to do that in a month but we should consider it as year 2 work ←
14:16:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: We need to add in this
Kevin Novak: We need to add in this ←
14:16:41 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:16:55 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
14:16:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions" taken up [from josema]
14:17:22 <josema> ->http://dristachi.site/2009/03/25-TechSurvey/ W3C Technology Survey
José Alonso: ->http://dristachi.site/2009/03/25-TechSurvey/ W3C Technology Survey ←
14:17:34 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we dealt in ways with F2F, mentioned the TechSurvey
Kevin Novak: we dealt in ways with F2F, mentioned the TechSurvey ←
14:18:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: spoke to data.gov about what would be helpful
Kevin Novak: spoke to data.gov about what would be helpful ←
14:19:34 <Daniel_Bennett> " more specifics on incorporating these efforts
" more specifics on incorporating these efforts ←
14:20:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin and Jose: discuss about summary doc
Kevin and Jose: discuss about summary doc ←
14:21:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: asks folks from the F2F to look summary over
Kevin Novak: asks folks from the F2F to look summary over ←
14:21:17 <josema> ->http://dristachi.site/2009/03/eGov_F2F2_report Summary Report
José Alonso: ->http://dristachi.site/2009/03/eGov_F2F2_report Summary Report ←
14:21:44 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:22:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Please look at summary
Kevin Novak: Please look at summary ←
14:22:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I will be at World Bank meeting
Kevin Novak: I will be at World Bank meeting ←
14:24:10 <josema> all kudos on Tech Survey should go to my colleague Eric Prud'hommeaux (W3C), I just made a couple comments
José Alonso: all kudos on Tech Survey should go to my colleague Eric Prud'hommeaux (W3C), I just made a couple comments ←
14:24:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: from meeting with Beth, we now do have attendee list
Kevin Novak: from meeting with Beth, we now do have attendee list ←
14:25:07 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:25:14 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: thanks to all at F2F
Kevin Novak: thanks to all at F2F ←
14:25:20 <john> +1 kevin's thanks
John Sheridan: +1 kevin's thanks ←
14:26:14 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: wants to finish the Multi Channel and we need to give Apr. 15th deadline on this.
José Alonso: wants to finish the Multi Channel and we need to give Apr. 15th deadline on this. ←
14:26:25 <Daniel_Bennett> " and the other section too
... and the other section too ←
14:26:40 <josema> RESOLUTION: content for Multi-Channel and Long Term to be provided by April 15th
RESOLVED: content for Multi-Channel and Long Term to be provided by April 15th ←
14:26:51 <josema> s/"/...
14:27:28 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: should govt distribution be part of Multi Channel
Joe Carmel: should govt distribution be part of Multi Channel ←
14:27:50 <Daniel_Bennett> seconds the resolution
seconds the resolution ←
14:28:34 <josema> ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due 2009-04-15
ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due 2009-04-15 ←
14:28:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris ←
14:28:51 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave seemed to be interested in data standards for Multi
Dave seemed to be interested in data standards for Multi ←
14:28:55 <Daniel_Bennett> Channel
Channel ←
14:29:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we have hashed out this
Kevin Novak: we have hashed out this ←
14:29:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: willing to write it up
Ken Fischer: willing to write it up ←
14:30:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets get just a paragraph done to encapsulate this discussion re: Multi
Kevin Novak: lets get just a paragraph done to encapsulate this discussion re: Multi ←
14:30:46 <josema> ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel
ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel ←
14:30:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Summarize approach to Multi Channel [on Ken Fischer - due 2009-04-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-51 - Summarize approach to Multi Channel [on Ken Fischer - due 2009-04-08]. ←
14:30:53 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:31:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: agrees to put that paragraph
Ken Fischer: agrees to put that paragraph ←
14:31:20 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
14:31:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "2nd Charter and way forward" taken up [from josema]
14:31:28 <josema> [briefly]
José Alonso: [briefly] ←
14:32:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets try to define what we are looking at
Kevin Novak: lets try to define what we are looking at ←
14:33:48 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: will be with us as his contract continued to end of year
José Alonso: will be with us as his contract continued to end of year ←
14:33:54 <Daniel_Bennett> yea!
yea! ←
14:34:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: there is a process for W3C to deal with charter, we need to focus on year 2 issues
José Alonso: there is a process for W3C to deal with charter, we need to focus on year 2 issues ←
14:35:24 <john> so no implications asking for an extension of a month?
John Sheridan: so no implications asking for an extension of a month? ←
14:35:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: no implications if we need the time.
Kevin Novak: no implications if we need the time. ←
14:35:58 <josema> AFAIR, shouldn't be any difficult; IIRC extensions are approved by W3M
José Alonso: AFAIR, shouldn't be any difficult; IIRC extensions are approved by W3M ←
14:36:06 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:36:13 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
14:36:13 <Zakim> agendum 6. "What's going on out there?" taken up [from josema]
14:36:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: did an interview with GCN
Kevin Novak: did an interview with GCN ←
14:37:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Karen is working on more publicity
Kevin Novak: Karen is working on more publicity ←
14:37:20 <Daniel_Bennett> ... getting more members
... getting more members ←
14:37:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: any more issues?
Kevin Novak: any more issues? ←
14:38:16 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Cloud computing is not mentioned
John Sheridan: Cloud computing is not mentioned ←
14:38:27 <Daniel_Bennett> ... perhaps it should be addressed
... perhaps it should be addressed ←
14:39:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: WSJ article last week talking about this
Kevin Novak: WSJ article last week talking about this ←
14:39:14 <john> +1 josema
John Sheridan: +1 josema ←
14:40:02 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
14:40:03 <john> good call, thanks everyone
John Sheridan: good call, thanks everyone ←
14:40:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: expecting more conversation with charter next
José Alonso: expecting more conversation with charter next ←
14:40:06 <Zakim> -rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -rachel ←
14:40:07 <Zakim> -Ken
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken ←
14:40:08 <Daniel_Bennett> ...week
...week ←
14:40:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: adjourns
Kevin Novak: adjourns ←
14:40:23 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
14:41:05 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:41:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:41:23 <Daniel_Bennett> I will get better at this eventually Jose.
I will get better at this eventually Jose. ←
14:41:33 <john> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:42:18 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
14:43:53 <josema> rrsagent, stop
José Alonso: rrsagent, stop ←
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