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12:58:30 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc
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12:58:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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12:58:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
12:58:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←
12:58:35 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:58:35 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2009
12:58:42 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
12:58:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller] ←
12:58:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot ←
12:58:54 <Zakim> + +1.202.731.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.731.aabb ←
12:59:31 <Sharron> zakim, aaaa is Sharron
Sharron Rush: zakim, aaaa is Sharron ←
12:59:31 <Zakim> +Sharron; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharron; got it ←
12:59:48 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[CTIC] ←
12:59:56 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aacc ←
12:59:57 <josema> zakim, [CTIC] is me
José Alonso: zakim, [CTIC] is me ←
12:59:57 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
13:01:16 <kevin> Good Morning all
Kevin Novak: Good Morning all ←
13:01:35 <josema> zakim, aacc is probably Owen
José Alonso: zakim, aacc is probably Owen ←
13:01:35 <Zakim> +Owen?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen?; got it ←
13:01:39 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sharron, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, josema, Owen?
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sharron, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, josema, Owen? ←
13:01:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see davemc, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see davemc, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot ←
13:01:51 <Zakim> + +1.202.527.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.527.aadd ←
13:01:52 <Daniel_Bennett> 202-319 is Daniel
Daniel Bennett: 202-319 is Daniel ←
13:02:18 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
13:02:22 <josema> zakim, aabb is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Daniel_Bennett ←
13:02:22 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
13:02:35 <josema> zakim, aadd is Suzanne
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is Suzanne ←
13:02:35 <Zakim> +Suzanne; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne; got it ←
13:02:44 <josema> zakim, ??P20 is Dave
José Alonso: zakim, ??P20 is Dave ←
13:02:44 <Zakim> +Dave; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Dave; got it ←
13:03:03 <josema> regrets+ Oscar
José Alonso: regrets+ Oscar ←
13:03:19 <josema> topic: review of open issues (and actions)
13:04:09 <Zakim> + +1.703.994.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.994.aaee ←
13:04:38 <josema> zakim, aaee is Ken
José Alonso: zakim, aaee is Ken ←
13:04:38 <Zakim> +Ken; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken; got it ←
13:06:15 <josema> all, see: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
José Alonso: all, see: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open ←
13:06:26 <Zakim> + +0203334aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0203334aaff ←
13:06:41 <josema> zakim, aaff is john
José Alonso: zakim, aaff is john ←
13:06:41 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
13:08:40 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:10:39 <josema> kevin: met BSA, government reps from some vendors, at meeting at The White House
Kevin Novak: met BSA, government reps from some vendors, at meeting at The White House ←
13:11:02 <josema> ... good discussion, interest in our work, BSA submitted comments already
... good discussion, interest in our work, BSA submitted comments already ←
13:11:54 <josema> ... Beth Noveck asked people in the room if they were participating in this W3C work
... Beth Noveck asked people in the room if they were participating in this W3C work ←
13:12:10 <josema> ... heard it was received as they should work with us
... heard it was received as they should work with us ←
13:13:16 <josema> ... also Bev keeping us in the forefront
... also Bev keeping us in the forefront ←
13:13:57 <josema> ... I also participated in TWB/OASIS workshop on April, 17th
... I also participated in TWB/OASIS workshop on April, 17th ←
13:14:20 <josema> s/topic: review of open issues (and actions)/topic: update on activities
13:14:38 <josema> ... people from several countries, some african countries
... people from several countries, some african countries ←
13:15:01 <josema> ... all discussions about standards referring to W3C work
... all discussions about standards referring to W3C work ←
13:15:23 <josema> suzanne: great news, I appreciate hearing that
Suzanne Acar: great news, I appreciate hearing that ←
13:15:34 <josema> topic: review of open issues (and actions)
13:16:23 <josema> issue list: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
issue list: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open ←
13:17:41 <josema> ISSUE-1
13:18:03 <josema> @@Semantic agreement in advance facilitates all exchanging parties to have a common understanding of the meaning of the data exchanged ISSUE-1@@
@@Semantic agreement in advance facilitates all exchanging parties to have a common understanding of the meaning of the data exchanged ISSUE-1@@ ←
13:18:25 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
13:18:34 <josema> ack john
ack john ←
13:18:56 <josema> [comments in @@ come from editor's draft]
[comments in @@ come from editor's draft] ←
13:20:56 <davemc> Owen +1
Dave McAllister: Owen +1 ←
13:21:15 <josema> owen: as much agreement in advance as possible is good
Owen Ambur: as much agreement in advance as possible is good ←
13:21:41 <josema> ... [scribe missed comment]
... [scribe missed comment] ←
13:22:21 <josema> Daniel: I don't think this is a requirement but a best practice
Daniel Bennett: I don't think this is a requirement but a best practice ←
13:23:08 <kevin> Daniel, I agree it is a best practice
Kevin Novak: Daniel, I agree it is a best practice ←
13:23:18 <josema> john: I like the wording, can live with that
John Sheridan: I like the wording, can live with that ←
13:23:42 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:23:53 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (9%), josema (14%), Ken (24%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (9%), josema (14%), Ken (24%) ←
13:23:57 <Owen> From my perspective, the key point is to publish the names and plain-language definitions of each element regardless of how many people may or may not agree.
Owen Ambur: From my perspective, the key point is to publish the names and plain-language definitions of each element regardless of how many people may or may not agree. ←
13:25:20 <josema> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-1
13:27:30 <josema> trackbot, close ISSUE-2
13:27:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition closed ←
13:27:45 <josema> trackbot, close ISSUE-1
13:27:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-1 is it necessary to agree upon the semantics in advance? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-1 is it necessary to agree upon the semantics in advance? closed ←
13:28:00 <josema> trackbot, open ISSUE-2
13:28:00 <trackbot> Sorry, josema, I don't understand 'trackbot, open ISSUE-2'. Please refer to http://dristachi.site/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, josema, I don't understand 'trackbot, open ISSUE-2'. Please refer to http://dristachi.site/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
13:28:41 <josema> ISSUE-2
13:28:59 <josema> [john tries to cut himself in two...]
[john tries to cut himself in two...] ←
13:29:06 <john> lol
John Sheridan: lol ←
13:29:48 <davemc> agreed. let's not be too academically perfect.
Dave McAllister: agreed. let's not be too academically perfect. ←
13:31:28 <josema> [suzanne suggest to review authoritative references and highlight the common thing]
[suzanne suggests to review authoritative references and highlight the common thing] ←
13:31:37 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
13:31:45 <josema> see some at: http://razor.occams.info/pubdocs/2009-02-28_TCamp_Data_Standards.pdf
see some at: http://razor.occams.info/pubdocs/2009-02-28_TCamp_Data_Standards.pdf ←
13:32:11 <davemc> a definitive reference would be it's own working group
Dave McAllister: a definitive reference would be it's own working group ←
13:32:17 <josema> s/suggest/suggests
13:33:08 <josema> suzanne: if there's no formal and definitive definition we should point to what is available
Suzanne Acar: if there's no formal and definitive definition we should point to what is available ←
13:33:52 <josema> ... but get to just one could take us a lot of time
... but get to just one could take us a lot of time ←
13:34:07 <john> agree with 7 / 8 of those listed
John Sheridan: agree with 7 / 8 of those listed ←
13:34:25 <john> no 8 is troublesome
John Sheridan: no 8 is troublesome ←
13:34:30 <josema> ack j
ack j ←
13:34:34 <josema> ack john
ack john ←
13:35:13 <josema> john: be careful not to enter the OSS vs. proprietary sw discussion
John Sheridan: be careful not to enter the OSS vs. proprietary sw discussion ←
13:35:48 <davemc> also be careful to avoid the "free software" versus "open Source" lexicon
Dave McAllister: also be careful to avoid the "free software" versus "open Source" lexicon ←
13:35:49 <josema> ... we should point to what people mean as OGD, not endorse any
... we should point to what people mean as OGD, not endorse any ←
13:35:58 <josema> suzanne: make situation awareness
Suzanne Acar: make situation awareness ←
13:36:18 <josema> dave: could even be a subgroup in the new charter
Dave McAllister: could even be a subgroup in the new charter ←
13:37:44 <josema> ACTION: kevin to deal with ISSUE-2 along this line
ACTION: kevin to deal with ISSUE-2 along this line ←
13:37:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Deal with ISSUE-2 along this line [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-55 - Deal with ISSUE-2 along this line [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-05-06]. ←
13:38:20 <josema> ISSUE-2: see ACTION-55
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-2' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-2: see ACTION-55 ←
13:38:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition notes added ←
13:38:46 <Owen> It is not necessary to get into the debate over open source versus proprietary software in order to outline the attributes of open *data*.
Owen Ambur: It is not necessary to get into the debate over open source versus proprietary software in order to outline the attributes of open *data*. ←
13:39:06 <josema> ISSUE-3
13:39:11 <davemc> I vote to close this...
Dave McAllister: I vote to close this... ←
13:39:29 <josema> kevin: propose to leave it as is and close it
Kevin Novak: propose to leave it as is and close it ←
13:40:01 <josema> suzanne: agree
Suzanne Acar: agree ←
13:40:34 <josema> ... it could be a good ting to add to an appendix or glossary
... it could be a good thing to add to an appendix or glossary ←
13:41:28 <josema> s/ting/thing
13:41:49 <josema> [also on ISSUE-26 on having a glossary]
[also on ISSUE-26 on having a glossary] ←
13:42:08 <josema> suzanne: should we add a glossary?
Suzanne Acar: should we add a glossary? ←
13:42:27 <josema> jose: I'd like to if someone takes responsibility
José Alonso: I'd like to if someone takes responsibility ←
13:42:38 <josema> daniel: +1, maybe using wiki approach
Daniel Bennett: +1, maybe using wiki approach ←
13:43:15 <josema> ACTION: Sharron to start glossary related to ISSUE-26
ACTION: Sharron to start glossary related to ISSUE-26 ←
13:43:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Start glossary related to ISSUE-26 [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-56 - Start glossary related to ISSUE-26 [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06]. ←
13:43:25 <josema> ISSUE-26: see ACTION-56
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-26' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-26: see ACTION-56 ←
13:43:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-26 glossary to be added to the document? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-26 glossary to be added to the document? notes added ←
13:44:11 <josema> close ISSUE-26
13:44:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-26 glossary to be added to the document? closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-26 glossary to be added to the document? closed ←
13:44:41 <josema> ISSUE-2, glossary will hold this
ISSUE-2, glossary will hold this ←
13:44:45 <josema> close ISSUE-2
13:44:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-2 Open Government Data Definition closed ←
13:44:50 <josema> close ISSUE-3
13:44:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 spelling of eGovernment closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-3 spelling of eGovernment closed ←
13:46:30 <john> he is right
John Sheridan: he is right ←
13:46:54 <josema> ISSUE-4
13:47:28 <josema> jose: I would add it
José Alonso: I would add it ←
13:48:22 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
13:48:24 <josema> Daniel: [on issue in US around this and re-selling datasets]
Daniel Bennett: [on issue in US around this and re-selling datasets] ←
13:48:42 <josema> ack john
ack john ←
13:48:54 <josema> ... potential issue, don't think we should say governments should do this
... potential issue, don't think we should say governments should do this ←
13:49:09 <josema> john: not say it's desirable but ack it as approach
John Sheridan: not say it's desirable but ack it as approach ←
13:49:46 <josema> owen: US FOIA says gov should maintain data in formats requested ??
Owen Ambur: US FOIA says gov should maintain data in formats requested ?? ←
13:50:32 <josema> dave: sounds like we are discussing packaging rather than data at this point
Dave McAllister: sounds like we are discussing packaging rather than data at this point ←
13:51:02 <kevin> I agree with John
Kevin Novak: I agree with John ←
13:51:39 <Owen> The E-FOIA amendments are available at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm
Owen Ambur: The E-FOIA amendments are available at http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_XVII_4/page2.htm ←
13:52:06 <josema> ACTION: john to write a paragraph to add this one
ACTION: john to write a paragraph to add this one ←
13:52:06 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
13:52:06 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
13:52:20 <josema> ACTION: jsherida to write a paragraph to add this one
ACTION: jsherida to write a paragraph to add this one ←
13:52:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Write a paragraph to add this one [on John Sheridan - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-57 - Write a paragraph to add this one [on John Sheridan - due 2009-05-06]. ←
13:52:40 <josema> ISSUE-4: see ACTION-57
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-4' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-4: see ACTION-57 ←
13:52:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 Raw Data or Bulk Data downloads should be added to OGD section notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-4 Raw Data or Bulk Data downloads should be added to OGD section notes added ←
13:59:08 <josema> [discussions on approach in EU and US]
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[discussions on approach in EU and US] ←
13:59:21 <josema> [on how to reference, how this can be or not mandated by govs]
[on how to reference, how this can be or not mandated by govs] ←
13:59:56 <josema> [this is an issues doc; we should highlight it as an issue[
[this is an issues doc; we should highlight it as an issue[ ←
14:00:16 <josema> ISSUE-5
14:00:55 <josema> owen: should W3C recs be in FEA TRM?
Owen Ambur: should W3C recs be in FEA TRM? ←
14:01:11 <josema> [nothing heard]
[nothing heard] ←
14:01:15 <josema> owen: yes
Owen Ambur: yes ←
14:02:10 <josema> daniel: let them be able to reference it, not say they should reference it
Daniel Bennett: let them be able to reference it, not say they should reference it ←
14:03:06 <josema> owen: it's the technical _reference_ model not the technical _mandate_ model
Owen Ambur: it's the technical _reference_ model not the technical _mandate_ model ←
14:03:48 <josema> suzanne: we are writing a doc that have potential to turn into set of guidelines
Suzanne Acar: we are writing a doc that have potential to turn into set of guidelines ←
14:04:11 <josema> ... TRM way of reference is one way but what about other countries?
... TRM way of reference is one way but what about other countries? ←
14:04:42 <josema> kevin: we should be broad
Kevin Novak: we should be broad ←
14:05:15 <davemc> Kevin +1 : Broad, but flexible
Dave McAllister: Kevin +1 : Broad, but flexible ←
14:05:24 <josema> ... I don't think we'll have a pretty clear view yet
... I don't think we'll have a pretty clear view yet ←
14:05:45 <josema> suzanne: issues can turn into oportunities for future work
Suzanne Acar: issues can turn into opportunities for future work ←
14:05:51 <john> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:05:53 <josema> s/oportunities/opportunities
14:05:57 <davemc> Suzanne +1
Dave McAllister: Suzanne +1 ←
14:06:16 <Zakim> -Suzanne
Zakim IRC Bot: -Suzanne ←
14:06:18 <Owen> It would be good if the "data" contained in "standards" (like W3C Recommendations) were readily referenceable in national TRMs.
Owen Ambur: It would be good if the "data" contained in "standards" (like W3C Recommendations) were readily referenceable in national TRMs. ←
14:06:18 <josema> [suzanne leaves call]
[suzanne leaves call] ←
14:07:36 <josema> ISSUE-5, go ahead with broad but flexible approach
ISSUE-5, go ahead with broad but flexible approach ←
14:09:01 <josema> close ISSUE-19
14:09:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 The mention of human readable format using HTML seems unclearly focused closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-19 The mention of human readable format using HTML seems unclearly focused closed ←
14:10:30 <josema> close ISSUE-27
14:10:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-27 remove negative reference to PDF closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-27 remove negative reference to PDF closed ←
14:11:58 <josema> dave: fine with replacement text on both
Dave McAllister: fine with replacement text on both ←
14:13:14 <josema> [reviewing accessibility issues]
[reviewing accessibility issues] ←
14:13:30 <josema> jose: added everything to the doc, fine with me, they are the experts
José Alonso: added everything to the doc, fine with me, they are the experts ←
14:13:39 <josema> kevin: anything controversial?
Kevin Novak: anything controversial? ←
14:14:14 <john> kevin +1
John Sheridan: kevin +1 ←
14:14:16 <josema> sharron: I'm in both groups, nothing controversial, just making a better distinction
Sharron Rush: I'm in both groups, nothing controversial, just making a better distinction ←
14:16:36 <josema> close ISSUE-6
14:16:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 open standards to achieve participation and engagement closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 open standards to achieve participation and engagement closed ←
14:19:43 <josema> [all fine with accessibility related changes]
[all fine with accessibility related changes] ←
14:21:27 <josema> ISSUE-7
14:21:47 <josema> [distinction between sw and data stds?]
[distinction between sw and data stds?] ←
14:23:43 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
14:25:07 <josema> chair: john, kevin
14:25:16 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:25:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:25:19 <john> I'm enjoying the discussion
John Sheridan: I'm enjoying the discussion ←
14:26:14 <josema> ack john
ack john ←
14:26:48 <josema> [level you _need_ to achieve vs. level you _want_ to achieve]
[level you _need_ to achieve vs. level you _want_ to achieve] ←
14:27:24 <josema> [on policy need to have higher degree of interop e.g. on geospatial data]
[on policy need to have higher degree of interop e.g. on geospatial data] ←
14:27:31 <davemc> John +1
Dave McAllister: John +1 ←
14:27:52 <josema> [we don't need everything to interop with everything from a gov perspective]
[we don't need everything to interop with everything from a gov perspective] ←
14:28:53 <josema> close ISSUE-7
14:28:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 achieving interoperability should be done through standardization closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-7 achieving interoperability should be done through standardization closed ←
14:29:09 <Zakim> -Dave
Zakim IRC Bot: -Dave ←
14:29:51 <Zakim> -Ken
Scribe problem: the name 'Ken' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Kendall Clark Ken Fischer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken ←
14:31:15 <josema> jose: several on adding pointers and examples can be already closed, it's being done
José Alonso: several on adding pointers and examples can be already closed, it's being done ←
14:31:21 <josema> kevin: +1
Kevin Novak: +1 ←
14:31:23 <josema> john: +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:31:44 <josema> ACTION: josema to close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already
ACTION: josema to close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already ←
14:31:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-06]. ←
14:32:18 <josema> sharron: will the structure of the document change significantly to improve narrative ??
Sharron Rush: will the structure of the document change significantly to improve narrative ?? ←
14:32:25 <josema> ... I can volunteer to help with that
... I can volunteer to help with that ←
14:33:25 <josema> ISSUE-10: yes
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-10' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-10: yes ←
14:33:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 creation of an executive summary for C-level audience notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-10 creation of an executive summary for C-level audience notes added ←
14:34:12 <josema> ACTION: kevin to develop exec summary and abstract
ACTION: kevin to develop exec summary and abstract ←
14:34:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Develop exec summary and abstract [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Develop exec summary and abstract [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-05-06]. ←
14:34:31 <josema> ACTION: sharron to help develop exec summary and abstract
ACTION: sharron to help develop exec summary and abstract ←
14:34:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Help develop exec summary and abstract [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-60 - Help develop exec summary and abstract [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06]. ←
14:37:20 <josema> ISSUE-11: add them to glossary, too
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Unknown ISSUE-11: add them to glossary, too ←
14:37:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 abbreviations like API, PSI etc. needs to be explained the first time and more tweaks to abbreviations might be needed notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 abbreviations like API, PSI etc. needs to be explained the first time and more tweaks to abbreviations might be needed notes added ←
14:37:51 <josema> [when producing the glossary take into account the abbreviations]
[when producing the glossary take into account the abbreviations] ←
14:37:59 <josema> close ISSUE-11
14:37:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 abbreviations like API, PSI etc. needs to be explained the first time and more tweaks to abbreviations might be needed closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-11 abbreviations like API, PSI etc. needs to be explained the first time and more tweaks to abbreviations might be needed closed ←
14:39:11 <josema> ISSUE-15, ISSUE-17, daniel working on it, will deliver text tomorrow
ISSUE-15, ISSUE-17, daniel working on it, will deliver text tomorrow ←
14:39:40 <josema> ISSUE-17: Daniel, more of a philosofical rather than technical but I'll call out
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-17' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-17: Daniel, more of a philosofical rather than technical but I'll call out ←
14:39:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 safe to play notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-17 safe to play notes added ←
14:40:53 <josema> ISSUE-18
14:41:08 <josema> josema: not sure what to do with this one, not easy
José Alonso: not sure what to do with this one, not easy ←
14:41:25 <josema> kevin: I think we should be broad and flexible again
Kevin Novak: I think we should be broad and flexible again ←
14:41:36 <josema> daniel: we should be very careful
Daniel Bennett: we should be very careful ←
14:41:47 <josema> john: it's a hard question
John Sheridan: it's a hard question ←
14:44:43 <josema> kevin: should we have a list?
Kevin Novak: should we have a list? ←
14:44:50 <josema> john: it can be problematic
John Sheridan: it can be problematic ←
14:44:54 <josema> josema: +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
14:44:57 <josema> daniel: +1
Daniel Bennett: +1 ←
14:46:31 <josema> ISSUE-18: use Web content from WCAG2.0, referencing from document as a whole where needed
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-18' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-18: use Web content from WCAG2.0, referencing from document as a whole where needed ←
14:46:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 should more non W3C standards be added? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-18 should more non W3C standards be added? notes added ←
14:48:33 <josema> ACTION: sharron to review document with ISSUE-18 in mind
ACTION: sharron to review document with ISSUE-18 in mind ←
14:48:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Review document with ISSUE-18 in mind [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Review document with ISSUE-18 in mind [on Sharron Rush - due 2009-05-06]. ←
14:48:42 <josema> ISSUE-18: see ACTION-61
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-18' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-18: see ACTION-61 ←
14:48:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 should more non W3C standards be added? notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-18 should more non W3C standards be added? notes added ←
14:49:50 <josema> ISSUE-22
14:50:12 <josema> Daniel: we should add something saying that debate and dialogue is important and should be added
Daniel Bennett: we should add something saying that debate and dialogue is important and should be added ←
14:50:27 <josema> sharron: +1
Sharron Rush: +1 ←
14:51:24 <josema> ACTION: daniel to provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22
ACTION: daniel to provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22 ←
14:51:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22 [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22 [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-05-06]. ←
14:52:56 <josema> close ISSUE-25
14:52:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 more good practice around URIs and URLs closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 more good practice around URIs and URLs closed ←
14:54:53 <john> great job josema!
John Sheridan: great job josema! ←
14:55:06 <Zakim> This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed
Zakim IRC Bot: This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed ←
14:58:35 <josema> [all review already proposed schedule and agree]
[all review already proposed schedule and agree] ←
14:59:13 <Zakim> -Owen?
Scribe problem: the name 'Owen?' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen? ←
14:59:14 <Zakim> -Sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharron ←
14:59:16 <josema> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
14:59:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:59:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:59:50 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
14:59:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], josema
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], josema ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see ken, john, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ken, john, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sharron, Jake, kevin, Daniel_Bennett, josema, trackbot ←
14:59:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:00:01 <josema> zakim, list attendees
zakim, list attendees ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, Sharron, +1.202.319.aacc, josema, Owen?, +1.202.527.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, Suzanne, Dave,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, Sharron, +1.202.319.aacc, josema, Owen?, +1.202.527.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, Suzanne, Dave, ←
15:00:04 <Zakim> ... +1.703.994.aaee, Ken, +0203334aaff, john
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.703.994.aaee, Ken, +0203334aaff, john ←
15:00:06 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:00:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:00:18 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
15:00:20 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, Sharron, +1.202.319.aacc, josema, Owen?, +1.202.527.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, Suzanne, Dave, +1.703.994.aaee, Ken,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.512.305.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.202.731.aabb, Sharron, +1.202.319.aacc, josema, Owen?, +1.202.527.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, Suzanne, Dave, +1.703.994.aaee, Ken, ←
15:00:22 <Zakim> ... +0203334aaff, john
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +0203334aaff, john ←
16:19:02 <josema> zakim, bye
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zakim, bye ←
16:19:05 <josema> rrsagent, bye
rrsagent, bye ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 9 open action items saved in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-actions.rdf : ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kevin to deal with ISSUE-2 along this line [1]
ACTION: kevin to deal with ISSUE-2 along this line [1] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-37-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-37-44 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sharron to start glossary related to ISSUE-26 [2]
ACTION: Sharron to start glossary related to ISSUE-26 [2] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-43-15
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-43-15 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: john to write a paragraph to add this one [3]
ACTION: john to write a paragraph to add this one [3] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-52-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-52-06 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jsherida to write a paragraph to add this one [4]
ACTION: jsherida to write a paragraph to add this one [4] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-52-20
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T13-52-20 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already [5]
ACTION: josema to close those ISSUES that have been integrated in the doc already [5] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-31-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-31-44 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kevin to develop exec summary and abstract [6]
ACTION: kevin to develop exec summary and abstract [6] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-34-12
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-34-12 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharron to help develop exec summary and abstract [7]
ACTION: sharron to help develop exec summary and abstract [7] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-34-31
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-34-31 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharron to review document with ISSUE-18 in mind [8]
ACTION: sharron to review document with ISSUE-18 in mind [8] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-48-33
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-48-33 ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22 [9]
ACTION: daniel to provide replacement text to add ISSUE-22 [9] ←
16:19:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-51-24
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/04/29-egov-irc#T14-51-24 ←
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