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12:58:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/05/13-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/05/13-egov-irc ←
12:58:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
12:58:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
12:58:40 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:58:40 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009
12:58:48 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
12:58:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot ←
12:59:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←
12:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P15 ←
12:59:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
12:59:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot ←
12:59:59 <Zakim> +Rodrigo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rodrigo ←
13:00:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aaaa ←
13:00:04 <John> I am on my iPhone for IRC
John Sheridan: I am on my iPhone for IRC ←
13:00:11 <josema> zakim, Rodrigo is me
José Alonso: zakim, Rodrigo is me ←
13:00:17 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
13:00:23 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
13:00:30 <davemc> ya'll aren't hearing me, will dial back in
Dave McAllister: ya'll aren't hearing me, will dial back in ←
13:00:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
13:01:20 <Zakim> +Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel ←
13:01:26 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Kevin
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Kevin ←
13:01:26 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin; got it ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:01:54 <josema> zakim, IPcaller is Owen
José Alonso: zakim, IPcaller is Owen ←
13:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller' ←
13:02:01 <josema> zakim, [IPcaller] is Owen
José Alonso: zakim, [IPcaller] is Owen ←
13:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←
13:02:05 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, ??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P15, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, ??P7 ←
13:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot ←
13:02:14 <josema> zakim, ??P7 is dave
José Alonso: zakim, ??P7 is dave ←
13:02:20 <Zakim> +dave; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dave; got it ←
13:02:20 <josema> zakim, ??P7 is davemc
José Alonso: zakim, ??P7 is davemc ←
13:02:28 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as dave, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as dave, josema ←
13:02:34 <josema> zakim, dave is davemc
José Alonso: zakim, dave is davemc ←
13:02:40 <Zakim> +davemc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davemc; got it ←
13:03:05 <josema> zakim, ??P15 is probably John
José Alonso: zakim, ??P15 is probably John ←
13:03:20 <Zakim> +John?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +John?; got it ←
13:03:41 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:03:49 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:04:46 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rachel (63%), Kevin (89%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rachel (63%), Kevin (89%) ←
13:05:18 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:05:19 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aabb ←
13:05:29 <davemc> pretty responsive here
Dave McAllister: pretty responsive here ←
13:05:31 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett ←
13:05:33 <josema> zakim, aabb is probably Brand
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is probably Brand ←
13:05:41 <Daniel_Bennett> yes, aabb is Daniel
Daniel Bennett: yes, aabb is Daniel ←
13:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, +1.202.564.aabb, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, +1.202.564.aabb, Daniel_Bennett ←
13:05:47 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:05:55 <Zakim> +Brand?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand?; got it ←
13:06:03 <josema> zakim, aabb is Brand
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Brand ←
13:06:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett ←
13:06:08 <Daniel_Bennett> whoops 202-319-aabb is Daniel
Daniel Bennett: whoops 202-319-aabb is Daniel ←
13:06:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot ←
13:06:15 <josema> it's fine :)
José Alonso: it's fine :) ←
13:06:21 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' ←
13:07:06 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:07:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett ←
13:07:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot ←
13:07:31 <josema> zakim, ??P33 is probably Owen
José Alonso: zakim, ??P33 is probably Owen ←
13:07:31 <Zakim> +Owen?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen?; got it ←
13:07:49 <josema> chairs: john, kevin
Scribe problem: the name 'chairs' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown chairs: john, kevin [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:07:55 <Daniel_Bennett> is Twibe official?
Daniel Bennett: is Twibe official? ←
13:08:00 <josema> take up next agendum
José Alonso: take up next agendum ←
13:08:13 <josema> kevin: any volunteers?
Kevin Novak: any volunteers? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:08:23 <josema> ... adjustments?
José Alonso: ... adjustments? ←
13:08:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin wanted to discuss the panel this summer
Daniel Bennett: Kevin wanted to discuss the panel this summer ←
13:08:49 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:08:53 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
13:09:03 <josema> take up next agendum
take up next agendum ←
13:09:19 <josema> [kevin thanks everybody for the work on the Note]
[kevin thanks everybody for the work on the Note] ←
13:09:47 <josema> [kevin refers to: http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/]
[kevin refers to: http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/] ←
13:10:51 <josema> kevin: doc puts up in very good position to help governments
Kevin Novak: doc puts up in very good position to help governments ←
13:11:15 <josema> john: agree, kevin also sent appreciation note to Jose's W3C collagues
John Sheridan: agree, kevin also sent appreciation note to Jose's W3C collagues ←
13:11:23 <josema> ...I'm sure we all endorse as group
...I'm sure we all endorse as group ←
13:11:35 <davemc> +! Kudos to Jose are deserved
Dave McAllister: +! Kudos to Jose are deserved ←
13:11:40 <josema> ...think this will be an important resource for people
...think this will be an important resource for people ←
13:14:01 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aadd ←
13:14:29 <josema> [jose thanks all and is happy to see this finally published, eager to discuss next steps]
[jose thanks all and is happy to see this finally published, eager to discuss next steps] ←
13:14:35 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar
zakim, aadd is oscar ←
13:14:35 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it ←
13:15:00 <josema> owen: also sent message to several lists
Owen Ambur: also sent message to several lists ←
13:15:10 <josema> daniel: great work, what next?
Daniel Bennett: great work, what next? ←
13:15:19 <Zakim> + +1.512.797.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.797.aaee ←
13:15:32 <josema> owen: what about timbl + kevin to meet with Kundra?
Owen Ambur: what about timbl + kevin to meet with Kundra? ←
13:15:42 <josema> kevin: I'd be happy to do so
Kevin Novak: I'd be happy to do so ←
13:16:33 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:16:43 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John? (29%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John? (29%) ←
13:17:30 <josema> zakim, aaee is sharron
zakim, aaee is sharron ←
13:17:30 <Zakim> +sharron; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sharron; got it ←
13:17:39 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
13:18:56 <josema> [jose mentions charter extension]
[jose mentions charter extension] ←
13:19:20 <josema> take up next agendum
take up next agendum ←
13:22:21 <Zakim> -oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←
13:22:57 <josema> [john gives summary of EU PSI directive, COM, status]
[john gives summary of EU PSI directive, COM, status] ←
13:23:42 <josema> [on PSI directive: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/index_en.htm]
[on EU PSI directive: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/index_en.htm] ←
13:23:49 <josema> s/PSI/EU PSI
13:24:06 <josema> [john on need of transposition and deadlines]
[john on need of transposition and deadlines] ←
13:25:58 <josema> john: enabling people to create their own services have helped move the agenda in the UK
John Sheridan: enabling people to create their own services have helped move the agenda in the UK ←
13:26:25 <Zakim> +oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar ←
13:27:09 <Zakim> +Ken
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken ←
13:27:13 <Zakim> -sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: -sharron ←
13:28:44 <Zakim> +sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: +sharron ←
13:28:58 <josema> jose: the examples in the COM caught my eye
José Alonso: the examples in the COM caught my eye ←
13:29:22 <josema> COM: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0212:FIN:EN:PDF
Scribe problem: the name 'COM' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown COM: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0212:FIN:EN:PDF ←
13:29:52 <josema> john: I'm not planning to go to SemTech at the moment
John Sheridan: I'm not planning to go to SemTech at the moment ←
13:30:13 <josema> kevin: there's opportunity to speak but no travel funding
Kevin Novak: there's opportunity to speak but no travel funding ←
13:31:05 <josema> [open government initiative event]
[open government innovations event] ←
13:31:43 <josema> ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009May/0035 thread start
->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009May/0035 thread start ←
13:32:01 <josema> s/initiative/innovations
13:32:16 <josema> [opportunity to organize a panel there]
Daniel Bennett: opportunity to organize a panel there ←
13:32:36 <josema> s/[opportunity to organize a panel there]/daniel: opportunity to organize a panel there
13:32:52 <josema> ... some volunteered, plan to organize the panel around the Note content
... some volunteered, plan to organize the panel around the Note content ←
13:33:15 <josema> [personal democracy forum]
[personal democracy forum] ←
13:34:06 <josema> daniel: held yearly in NYC, went last year, end of June this year
Daniel Bennett: held yearly in NYC, went last year, end of June this year ←
13:34:28 <josema> ...hosted by TechPresident, several high profiles speakers
...hosted by TechPresident, several high profiles speakers ←
13:35:00 <josema> kevin: do you see opportunity to participate there wrt Note?
Kevin Novak: do you see opportunity to participate there wrt Note? ←
13:35:23 <josema> daniel: I can ask Micah Sifry
Daniel Bennett: I can ask Micah Sifry ←
13:35:29 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:35:39 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: oscar (28%), John? (99%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: oscar (28%), John? (99%) ←
13:35:44 <josema> zakim, mute oscar
zakim, mute oscar ←
13:35:44 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should now be muted ←
13:36:16 <Zakim> -oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←
13:36:18 <josema> john: we have a meeting tomorrow, Beth Noveck to give talk via videolink on OGD
John Sheridan: we have a meeting tomorrow, Beth Noveck to give talk via videolink on OGD ←
13:37:05 <josema> ...easy to find, easy to use, easy to reuse ?? is the title
...easy to find, easy to use, easy to reuse ?? is the title ←
13:38:19 <josema> [kevin re-reads activity plan and asks people to let group know of opportunities where we could talk about Note]
[kevin re-reads activity plan and asks people to let group know of opportunities where we could talk about Note] ←
13:40:00 <josema> take up next agendum
take up next agendum ←
13:40:31 <Zakim> +oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar ←
13:40:32 <josema> [kevin reminds satisfaction after challenging initial period]
[kevin reminds satisfaction after challenging initial period] ←
13:42:30 <davemc> go for it. Let's hear them
Dave McAllister: go for it. Let's hear them ←
13:43:24 <Rachel> one challenge - learning w3c operating procedures, took a while for group to get up to speed
Rachel Flagg: one challenge - learning w3c operating procedures, took a while for group to get up to speed ←
13:43:50 <kevin> just a quick note that the twibe group EGOV is official. I set it up last week
Kevin Novak: just a quick note that the twibe group EGOV is official. I set it up last week ←
13:44:12 <Rachel> VERY important for folks to take turns scribing
Rachel Flagg: VERY important for folks to take turns scribing ←
13:44:48 <Rachel> if Jose scribes, his time is divided between talking & typing and it is hard to do both well
Rachel Flagg: if Jose scribes, his time is divided between talking & typing and it is hard to do both well ←
13:45:12 <davemc> I didn't attend the f2f, but the minutes were quite useful in coming up to speed.
Dave McAllister: I didn't attend the f2f, but the minutes were quite useful in coming up to speed. ←
13:45:20 <Rachel> so Step Up people!!!!!
Rachel Flagg: so Step Up people!!!!! ←
13:46:19 <Zakim> -Brand?
Scribe problem: the name 'Brand?' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand? ←
13:46:25 <Rachel> ideas - appoint a scribe at end of one call, to scribe the next call.
Rachel Flagg: ideas - appoint a scribe at end of one call, to scribe the next call. ←
13:46:46 <Rachel> Idea - if you are assigned to scribe and can't make the meeting, you are responsible to find a replacement
Rachel Flagg: Idea - if you are assigned to scribe and can't make the meeting, you are responsible to find a replacement ←
13:46:47 <josema> scribe: Rachel
(Scribe set to Rachel Flagg)
13:47:04 <josema> dave refers to this one: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List
José Alonso: dave refers to this one: http://dristachi.site/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List ←
13:47:04 <Rachel> idea - if no one steps up to scribe, there is no meeting
idea - if no one steps up to scribe, there is no meeting ←
13:48:22 <Rachel> one challenge as group started was that most participants were new to w3c, new to IRC, may not have had access to IRC from work computer
one challenge as group started was that most participants were new to w3c, new to IRC, may not have had access to IRC from work computer ←
13:48:24 <John> I liked Daniel's suggestion
John Sheridan: I liked Daniel's suggestion ←
13:48:43 <John> as a step
John Sheridan: as a step ←
13:49:23 <davemc> +1 Daniel's suggestion
Dave McAllister: +1 Daniel's suggestion ←
13:49:52 <josema> [Daniel volunteers to scribe next meeting]
José Alonso: [Daniel volunteers to scribe next meeting] ←
13:50:48 <Rachel> one barrier to scribing is not being familiar w/voices & names
one barrier to scribing is not being familiar w/voices & names ←
13:50:49 <John> Like Sharron did at our last meeting
John Sheridan: Like Sharron did at our last meeting ←
13:51:16 <Rachel> if you are new to the group, ask speakers to identify themselves before speaking
if you are new to the group, ask speakers to identify themselves before speaking ←
13:51:18 <josema> [Sharron volunteers as backup]
José Alonso: [Sharron volunteers as backup] ←
13:53:43 <josema> [Rachel volunteers to edit docs]
José Alonso: [Rachel volunteers to edit docs] ←
13:54:17 <josema> kevin: "rapid issue releases"
Kevin Novak: "rapid issue releases" [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:54:17 <John> Exactly +1
John Sheridan: Exactly +1 ←
13:54:23 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
13:54:27 <davemc> +1
Dave McAllister: +1 ←
13:54:45 <John> No more 'war and peace'
John Sheridan: No more 'war and peace' ←
13:55:08 <John> (as in the novel)
John Sheridan: (as in the novel) ←
13:55:25 <Zakim> -oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←
13:58:05 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:58:25 <josema> [john on http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/]
[john on http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/] ←
13:58:34 <Zakim> +oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar ←
13:58:45 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar
zakim, unmute oscar ←
13:58:45 <Zakim> oscar was not muted, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar was not muted, josema ←
13:59:20 <josema> john: if you want to talk about something you need to be able to identify it
John Sheridan: if you want to talk about something you need to be able to identify it ←
13:59:38 <josema> ...e.g. you need to be able to point to a paragraph
...e.g. you need to be able to point to a paragraph ←
14:00:04 <John> You can't "mash" a PDF easily
John Sheridan: You can't "mash" a PDF easily ←
14:00:39 <josema> daniel: putting stuff up in XML allows for this sort of stuff
Daniel Bennett: putting stuff up in XML allows for this sort of stuff ←
14:00:45 <josema> ...using XPointer, etc.
...using XPointer, etc. ←
14:01:09 <davemc> let's discuss mashing PDF separately. Technical point of order
Dave McAllister: let's discuss mashing PDF separately. Technical point of order ←
14:02:10 <josema> owen: I think that john's example is interesting to show that governments do not get it
Owen Ambur: I think that john's example is interesting to show that governments do not get it ←
14:02:25 <John> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:02:28 <josema> ...XML->PDF automatically is doable, opposite not true
...XML->PDF automatically is doable, opposite not true ←
14:02:55 <josema> dave: PDF purpose is to show exact replica of doc, not to have pointers to this or that
Dave McAllister: PDF purpose is to show exact replica of doc, not to have pointers to this or that ←
14:03:25 <josema> ...XML made for that, not a PDF expert but heard from them it's even possible with PDF
...XML made for that, not a PDF expert but heard from them it's even possible with PDF ←
14:03:58 <John> Is bad PDF like bad HTML - you can do better but people often don't?
John Sheridan: Is bad PDF like bad HTML - you can do better but people often don't? ←
14:04:20 <josema> kevin: respect both paths here, we want to provide as much data as possible
Kevin Novak: respect both paths here, we want to provide as much data as possible ←
14:04:44 <davemc> PDF to XPDF is available via free technology from Adobe http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/
Dave McAllister: PDF to XPDF is available via free technology from Adobe http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/ ←
14:04:46 <josema> daniel: we should not shy away with getting into discussion about formats with respect
Daniel Bennett: we should not shy away with getting into discussion about formats with respect ←
14:05:12 <John> yup, the point is the URI
John Sheridan: yup, the point is the URI ←
14:05:30 <josema> dave: agree and believe there are principles that could be applicable to a variety of formats
Dave McAllister: agree and believe there are principles that could be applicable to a variety of formats ←
14:06:00 <josema> oscar: PDF is wonderful technology, but I was trying to point out in the doc it's difficult to get data out
Oscar Azanon Esteire: PDF is wonderful technology, but I was trying to point out in the doc it's difficult to get data out ←
14:06:24 <josema> ...probably a technology that it's used in the wrong context in many cases, hence the issues
...probably a technology that it's used in the wrong context in many cases, hence the issues ←
14:06:38 <josema> ...this is something we could also work on in the future
...this is something we could also work on in the future ←
14:06:50 <josema> ...formats are of paramount importance
...formats are of paramount importance ←
14:07:02 <josema> daniel: sandbox stuff is wonderful
Daniel Bennett: sandbox stuff is wonderful ←
14:07:22 <josema> ...having techniques for dealing with that sort of information is always useful
...having techniques for dealing with that sort of information is always useful ←
14:08:55 <josema> dave: US Courts have 350Mio docs in PDFs, we should be careful not to break the leal tracks when structuring the data
Dave McAllister: US Courts have 350Mio docs in PDFs, we should be careful not to break the leal tracks when structuring the data ←
14:09:26 <josema> rachel: 99% of people dealing with content don't have a clear idea of what XML, this needs a cultural change, capability building
Rachel Flagg: 99% of people dealing with content don't have a clear idea of what XML, this needs a cultural change, capability building ←
14:10:29 <josema> daniel: brilliant point
Daniel Bennett: brilliant point ←
14:11:09 <josema> rachel: people do not easily move to do something differently
Rachel Flagg: people do not easily move to do something differently ←
14:11:38 <josema> kevin: I believe those are things to potentially incorporate in 2nd charter
Kevin Novak: I believe those are things to potentially incorporate in 2nd charter ←
14:11:59 <josema> ...better communication to ???
...better communication to ??? ←
14:12:12 <josema> ...is that something we want to build onto?
...is that something we want to build onto? ←
14:12:35 <josema> dave: agree???
Dave McAllister: agree??? ←
14:12:41 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:13:36 <John> We just drifted - no conspiracy :)
John Sheridan: We just drifted - no conspiracy :) ←
14:16:15 <John> my view, we worked best as one group
John Sheridan: my view, we worked best as one group ←
14:16:22 <josema> [jose on TFs expectations different from outcome]
[jose on TFs expectations different from outcome] ←
14:16:47 <josema> oscar: agree, don't think they have worked very well, we might want to explore something different
Oscar Azanon Esteire: agree, don't think they have worked very well, we might want to explore something different ←
14:17:16 <Sharron> agree, re-org is good idea
Sharron Rush: agree, re-org is good idea ←
14:20:02 <Zakim> -davemc
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14:20:16 <dmcallis> sorry, my internet connection dropped
Dave McAllister: sorry, my internet connection dropped ←
14:20:25 <josema> rachel: suggest to have a pre-marketing plan for next docs
Rachel Flagg: suggest to have a pre-marketing plan for next docs ←
14:20:30 <josema> kevin: agree
Kevin Novak: agree ←
14:21:45 <josema> owen: key issue is to identify and establish comms with stakeholders
Owen Ambur: key issue is to identify and establish comms with stakeholders ←
14:22:51 <josema> take up next agendum
take up next agendum ←
14:22:51 <Rachel> also identify channels where we want to distribute message - twitter, etc
Rachel Flagg: also identify channels where we want to distribute message - twitter, etc ←
14:23:26 <josema> kevin: need to get a draft of 2nd charter in June
Kevin Novak: need to get a draft of 2nd charter in June ←
14:24:11 <josema> kevin: homework assignment: should the IG focus on less topics?
Kevin Novak: homework assignment: should the IG focus on less topics? ←
14:24:30 <josema> ...think about it, go through paper, identify some
...think about it, go through paper, identify some ←
14:24:45 <josema> ...I feel each of major areas in paper are very timely and applicable
...I feel each of major areas in paper are very timely and applicable ←
14:25:00 <josema> ...I'd like to preserve those categories if doable with resources we have
...I'd like to preserve those categories if doable with resources we have ←
14:25:07 <John> maybe we should do a 'divide the dollar' exercise to priopritise?
John Sheridan: maybe we should do a 'divide the dollar' exercise to priopritise? ←
14:25:26 <josema> owen: point is who wants to work on what?
Owen Ambur: point is who wants to work on what? ←
14:25:49 <josema> ...I'd be more than willing to document goals and stakeholders in StratML
...I'd be more than willing to document goals and stakeholders in StratML ←
14:25:55 <josema> oscar: I'd need some time to think about it
Oscar Azanon Esteire: I'd need some time to think about it ←
14:26:02 <josema> ...start thread by email
...start thread by email ←
14:27:34 <josema> daniel: I would be a little bit worried about trying to do many things at once
Daniel Bennett: I would be a little bit worried about trying to do many things at once ←
14:27:58 <josema> ...as owen said we should question ourselves if we are meeting stakeholders' needs
...as owen said we should question ourselves if we are meeting stakeholders' needs ←
14:28:47 <josema> john: I think we need to prioritize, we cover a broad are now on Note
John Sheridan: I think we need to prioritize, we cover a broad are now on Note ←
14:29:02 <josema> ...we need to pick those places where we can make most impact
...we need to pick those places where we can make most impact ←
14:29:15 <josema> ...strongest level of participation and expertise
...strongest level of participation and expertise ←
14:29:24 <josema> ...go through a conversation as a group
...go through a conversation as a group ←
14:29:29 <josema> ...to identify them
...to identify them ←
14:29:37 <josema> +1
+1 ←
14:30:10 <josema> kevin: I think we are all saying same thing, agree with both
Kevin Novak: I think we are all saying same thing, agree with both ←
14:30:48 <josema> ...March F2F had great participation that allowed us to be where we are today
...March F2F had great participation that allowed us to be where we are today ←
14:31:28 <josema> ...reason why I'm also interested in marketing our efforts, led to this good position
...reason why I'm also interested in marketing our efforts, led to this good position ←
14:31:44 <josema> rachel: what are the end result we want for stage 2?
Rachel Flagg: what are the end result we want for stage 2? ←
14:32:02 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:32:26 <josema> kevin: I think we need to start solving what we can solve out of those issues we identified already
Kevin Novak: I think we need to start solving what we can solve out of those issues we identified already ←
14:32:34 <Zakim> -oscar
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14:32:38 <John> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:32:53 <josema> ...we have lots of questions in there, need to address them
...we have lots of questions in there, need to address them ←
14:32:55 <josema> +1
+1 ←
14:33:07 <John> plural - documents
John Sheridan: plural - documents ←
14:34:01 <josema> john: no way we'll solve all issues identified
John Sheridan: no way we'll solve all issues identified ←
14:34:21 <josema> ...but if we focus well we can achieve success in small amounts
...but if we focus well we can achieve success in small amounts ←
14:34:25 <josema> ...going step by step
...going step by step ←
14:34:38 <Zakim> -sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: -sharron ←
14:34:40 <Sharron> must go, bye all til next time.
Sharron Rush: must go, bye all til next time. ←
14:35:36 <josema> kevin: I think we need to be open
Kevin Novak: I think we need to be open ←
14:35:59 <John> so, year 2, solutions to issues, severaldocs, but agile and responsive
John Sheridan: so, year 2, solutions to issues, severaldocs, but agile and responsive ←
14:37:40 <John> Normative sounds scary...
John Sheridan: Normative sounds scary... ←
14:38:07 <josema> not that much ;)
not that much ;) ←
14:38:45 <josema> ACTION: josema to send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc.
ACTION: josema to send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc. ←
14:38:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-20]. ←
14:39:41 <josema> owen: +1 to produce smaller docs and reference better existing ones
Owen Ambur: +1 to produce smaller docs and reference better existing ones ←
14:41:01 <josema> kevin: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas, description as specific as possible around this next week, get together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus around it?
Kevin Novak: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas, description as specific as possible around this next week, get together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus around it? ←
14:41:05 <josema> [all agree]
[all agree] ←
14:42:01 <josema> [kevin to touch base with Karen get back to group on marketing plan]
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