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12:58:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-irc
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12:58:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
12:58:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
12:58:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←
12:58:25 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:58:25 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2009
12:58:34 <josema> chair: john, kevin
12:58:41 <josema> scribe: daniel
(Scribe set to Daniel Bennett)
12:58:42 <hughb> josema: 11pm
José Alonso: 11pm [ Scribe Assist by Hugh Barnes ] ←
12:58:47 <Daniel_Bennett> i have 8:58
i have 8:58 ←
12:58:50 <josema> scribeNick: Daniel_Bennett
12:59:25 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett ←
12:59:30 <Daniel_Bennett> yes
yes ←
12:59:43 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aadd ←
12:59:47 <josema> zakim, Daniel_Bennett? is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, Daniel_Bennett? is Daniel_Bennett ←
12:59:47 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'Daniel_Bennett?'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'Daniel_Bennett?' ←
12:59:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
12:59:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd ←
12:59:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, aharvey, hughb, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, aharvey, hughb, josema, trackbot ←
13:00:28 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
13:00:35 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aaee - is perhaps Brand?
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aaee - is perhaps Brand? ←
13:01:36 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, Brand?
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, Brand? ←
13:01:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, aharvey, hughb, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, aharvey, hughb, josema, trackbot ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> +Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin ←
13:02:05 <Daniel_Bennett> sounds like people forgot to get coffee
sounds like people forgot to get coffee ←
13:02:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:02:33 <Zakim> +Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel ←
13:03:08 <josema> zakim, [IPcaller] is owen
José Alonso: zakim, [IPcaller] is owen ←
13:03:08 <Zakim> +owen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +owen; got it ←
13:03:14 <aharvey> leave
Adam Harvey: leave ←
13:03:18 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:03:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Please say who is speaking when you start speaking. thanks
Please say who is speaking when you start speaking. thanks ←
13:03:40 <Daniel_Bennett> boo hoo
boo hoo ←
13:04:02 <Daniel_Bennett> no problem
no problem ←
13:04:50 <Daniel_Bennett> daniel@citizencontact.com
daniel@citizencontact.com ←
13:06:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin- will talk about White House call on Thurs in agenda 2
Kevin- will talk about White House call on Thurs in agenda 2 ←
13:06:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose- ok
Jose- ok ←
13:06:42 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:06:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, Brand?, Kevin, owen, Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, Brand?, Kevin, owen, Rachel ←
13:06:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see aharvey, Rachel, kevin, joec, Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, hughb, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see aharvey, Rachel, kevin, joec, Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, hughb, josema, trackbot ←
13:06:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin start meeting
Kevin start meeting ←
13:07:20 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
13:07:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
13:07:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin - news of data.gov
Kevin - news of data.gov ←
13:07:32 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
13:07:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 was just opened, josema ←
13:07:36 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
José Alonso: zakim, close this agendum ←
13:07:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 closed ←
13:07:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
13:07:39 <Zakim> 2. Data.gov and more what's going on [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 2. Data.gov and more what's going on [from josema] ←
13:07:40 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
13:07:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Data.gov and more what's going on" taken up [from josema]
13:07:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin - mentions http://opengov.ideascale.com/
Kevin - mentions http://opengov.ideascale.com/ ←
13:08:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin- Beth N. has new title [congrats]
Kevin Novak: Beth N. has new title [congrats] ←
13:08:32 <josema> s/-/:
13:08:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin - takeaways - 1. furthering transparency
Kevin : takeaways : 1. furthering transparency ←
13:08:58 <josema> s/-/:
13:09:36 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: concept behind launch of site is to hear best recommendations
Kevin Novak: concept behind launch of site is to hear best recommendations ←
13:10:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: remarks on call pointed to short timeframe
Kevin Novak: remarks on call pointed to short timeframe ←
13:11:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: 2nd round will show best recommendations into a second level that goes out to agencies for comments
Kevin Novak: 2nd round will show best recommendations into a second level that goes out to agencies for comments ←
13:11:48 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: already effort ongoing beyond the NAPA process too
Kevin Novak: already effort ongoing beyond the NAPA process too ←
13:12:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: can the recommendations be put forward as regs is a question
Kevin Novak: can the recommendations be put forward as regs is a question ←
13:12:31 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
13:12:42 <Daniel_Bennett> "it may be till end of the year till much happens"
"it may be till end of the year till much happens" ←
13:13:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: a lot of data.gov conversation. but many questions about why.
Kevin Novak: a lot of data.gov conversation. but many questions about why. ←
13:13:53 <Zakim> +Ken
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken ←
13:13:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Suzanne had clued folks into a memo that asked for top 5 data sources (to answer questions)
Kevin Novak: Suzanne had clued folks into a memo that asked for top 5 data sources (to answer questions) ←
13:14:38 <Daniel_Bennett> "were some people struggling for reason for datasets released.
"were some people struggling for reason for datasets released. ←
13:14:39 <Daniel_Bennett> "
" ←
13:15:12 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: my own comments were positive for having larger discussion with public
Kevin Novak: my own comments were positive for having larger discussion with public ←
13:15:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: looking to put together list of orgs to contact
Kevin Novak: looking to put together list of orgs to contact ←
13:16:40 <Zakim> +john
Zakim IRC Bot: +john ←
13:16:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: What is our goal toward the data.gov process (our meaning w3c egov IG)
Joe Carmel: What is our goal toward the data.gov process (our meaning w3c egov IG) ←
13:16:44 <josema> zakim, Daniel_Bennett is joec
José Alonso: zakim, Daniel_Bennett is joec ←
13:16:44 <Zakim> +joec; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +joec; got it ←
13:16:52 <josema> zakim, aadd is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is Daniel_Bennett ←
13:16:52 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
13:17:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel_Bennett is daniel bennett
Daniel_Bennett is daniel bennett ←
13:17:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Joec is Joe Carmel
Joec is Joe Carmel ←
13:17:36 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we discussed this issue
Kevin Novak: we discussed this issue ←
13:17:50 <josema> yup, thanks daniel, it was just that zakim confused both, it's fine now :)
José Alonso: yup, thanks daniel, it was just that zakim confused both, it's fine now :) ←
13:18:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: how can we participate?
Joe Carmel: how can we participate? ←
13:18:19 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
13:18:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: should we post group note to Open Govt. Dialogue NAPA site?
Daniel Bennett: should we post group note to Open Govt. Dialogue NAPA site? ←
13:19:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we had brought the group note to some in us gov upon publication
Kevin Novak: we had brought the group note to some in us gov upon publication ←
13:20:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: in that gov put up not ready for prime time version a good place to start
Joe Carmel: in that gov put up not ready for prime time version a good place to start ←
13:21:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: media was looking for criticism. I was positive to the effort.
Kevin Novak: media was looking for criticism. I was positive to the effort. ←
13:21:29 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
13:21:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: so many questions going around. this is a method for moving forward.
Kevin Novak: so many questions going around. this is a method for moving forward. ←
13:22:03 <annew> yes!
Anne Washington: yes! ←
13:22:09 <josema> zakim, [LC] is annew
José Alonso: zakim, [LC] is annew ←
13:22:09 <Zakim> +annew; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +annew; got it ←
13:22:12 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: should we post group note to Open Govt. Dialogue NAPA site?
Daniel Bennett: should we post group note to Open Govt. Dialogue NAPA site? ←
13:22:24 <josema> hi, anne! so great to see you around :)
José Alonso: hi, anne! so great to see you around :) ←
13:22:36 <annew> glad to be here
Anne Washington: glad to be here ←
13:22:41 <joec> hi anne
Joe Carmel: hi anne ←
13:22:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: I put up my xml version of the data.gov site for people to play with http://www.xmldatasets.net/data.gov/catalog.xml
Joe Carmel: I put up my xml version of the data.gov site for people to play with http://www.xmldatasets.net/data.gov/catalog.xml ←
13:22:55 <josema> topic: data.gov
13:23:09 <annew> hi joe.
Anne Washington: hi joe. ←
13:23:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what was the acronym?
Joe Carmel: what was the acronym? ←
13:24:26 <Daniel_Bennett> John: registration of information. makes a catalog that is human readable
John Sheridan: registration of information. makes a catalog that is human readable ←
13:24:36 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne: is it a periodical
Anne Washington: is it a periodical ←
13:24:38 <josema> [http://www.epsiplus.net/content/download/15123/189429/file/Information%20Asset%20Registers%20(OPSI%20Discussion%20Paper)%2010%20Sep%2008.pdf]
José Alonso: [http://www.epsiplus.net/content/download/15123/189429/file/Information%20Asset%20Registers%20(OPSI%20Discussion%20Paper)%2010%20Sep%2008.pdf] ←
13:24:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne: ?
Anne Washington: ? ←
13:24:45 <josema> wondeful URI, isn't it? ;)
José Alonso: wondeful URI, isn't it? ;) ←
13:24:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne: is it like GILS?
Anne Washington: is it like GILS? ←
13:24:59 <Owen> Sorry, Kevin. I was multi-tasking, taking another call when you called upon me just now.
Owen Ambur: Sorry, Kevin. I was multi-tasking, taking another call when you called upon me just now. ←
13:25:03 <Daniel_Bennett> John: yes, Anne
John Sheridan: yes, Anne ←
13:25:35 <Daniel_Bennett> John: catalog descriptions is good to a point. linking is missed.
John Sheridan: catalog descriptions is good to a point. linking is missed. ←
13:26:53 <Daniel_Bennett> John: let me give an example
John Sheridan: let me give an example ←
13:27:12 <Daniel_Bennett> "if geo info is mentioned, then I could find it"
...if geo info is mentioned, then I could find it" ←
13:27:31 <Daniel_Bennett> "but another model is to have URI for each location"
...but another model is to have URI for each location" ←
13:27:40 <josema> s/"if/...if
13:27:49 <josema> s/"but/...but
13:27:57 <Daniel_Bennett> "but then I can go to a search location using URI for a set location"
...but then I can go to a search location using URI for a set location" ←
13:28:01 <josema> s/"but/...but
13:28:41 <Daniel_Bennett> "and this is a linked system for URIs rather than just general catalog metadata system"
...and this is a linked system for URIs rather than just general catalog metadata system" ←
13:28:51 <josema> s/"and/...and
13:29:07 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: you still need datasets to be published
Joe Carmel: you still need datasets to be published ←
13:29:17 <Daniel_Bennett> John: agreed
John Sheridan: agreed ←
13:30:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: if you RDF it then the information then it can be discovered
Joe Carmel: if you RDF it then the information then it can be discovered ←
13:30:48 <Zakim> + +1.202.219.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.219.aaff ←
13:30:49 <Daniel_Bennett> John: yes, but not saying that that is the only solution
John Sheridan: yes, but not saying that that is the only solution ←
13:31:59 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: did a google search that energy with data.gov
Brand Niemann: did a google search that energy with data.gov ←
13:32:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: I get a URL, but not real answer
Brand Niemann: I get a URL, but not real answer ←
13:32:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne: are we asking to find the dataset or a piece of data?
Anne Washington: are we asking to find the dataset or a piece of data? ←
13:34:55 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
13:35:43 <josema> ack jo
José Alonso: ack jo ←
13:35:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: talked alot
Daniel Bennett: talked alot ←
13:36:07 <aharvey> :)
Adam Harvey: :) ←
13:36:34 <josema> uh, oh, datapedia is coming
José Alonso: uh, oh, datapedia is coming ←
13:38:02 <annew> wiki.dbpedia.org apparently...
Anne Washington: wiki.dbpedia.org apparently... ←
13:38:07 <john> are you saying we don't need dbpedia?
John Sheridan: are you saying we don't need dbpedia? ←
13:38:35 <john> I think dbpedia adds value, no?
John Sheridan: I think dbpedia adds value, no? ←
13:38:47 <josema> I think Daniel is saying that as far as one can guess the underlying structure of the data it's fine
José Alonso: I think Daniel is saying that as far as one can guess the underlying structure of the data it's fine ←
13:39:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: mainly about need to use WWW of domains to say where a dataset is and having a decent structure to the data, that can be enough
Daniel Bennett: mainly about need to use WWW of domains to say where a dataset is and having a decent structure to the data, that can be enough ←
13:39:27 <Daniel_Bennett> yes, Jose
yes, Jose ←
13:39:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: fundamental problem of semantics
Joe Carmel: fundamental problem of semantics ←
13:40:00 <annew> I thought daniel was saying that we should be able to scrape the data from any web page. standards or no.
Anne Washington: I thought daniel was saying that we should be able to scrape the data from any web page. standards or no. ←
13:40:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: if one org is trying to standardize temp, that may be impossible across all orgs
Joe Carmel: if one org is trying to standardize temp, that may be impossible across all orgs ←
13:40:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
13:40:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema ←
13:41:26 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:41:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, joec, Daniel_Bennett, Josema, Brand?, Kevin, owen, Rachel, Ken, john, annew, +1.202.219.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see aharvey, hughb, Sharron, joec, Daniel_Bennett, Josema, Brand?, Kevin, owen, Rachel, Ken, john, annew, +1.202.219.aaff ←
13:41:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne, as long as the web site /data is using standard web/xhtml or xml w/ xsl
Anne, as long as the web site /data is using standard web/xhtml or xml w/ xsl ←
13:41:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see annew, john, aharvey, Rachel, kevin, joec, Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, hughb, josema, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annew, john, aharvey, Rachel, kevin, joec, Owen, RRSAgent, Sharron, Zakim, Daniel_Bennett, MoZ, hughb, josema, trackbot ←
13:41:55 <john> agree, we are missing the URI concept with data catalogues
John Sheridan: agree, we are missing the URI concept with data catalogues ←
13:41:58 <josema> zakim, list attendees
José Alonso: zakim, list attendees ←
13:41:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.443.aaaa, aharvey, +0073411aabb, Sharron, hughb, +1.202.319.aacc, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, +1.202.564.aaee, Kevin, Rachel, owen,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.443.aaaa, aharvey, +0073411aabb, Sharron, hughb, +1.202.319.aacc, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, +1.202.564.aaee, Kevin, Rachel, owen, ←
13:42:02 <Zakim> ... Ken, john, joec, Daniel_Bennett, annew, +1.202.219.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Ken, john, joec, Daniel_Bennett, annew, +1.202.219.aaff ←
13:42:12 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
13:42:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema ←
13:42:37 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: perhaps there is a way for important buildings in federal blds for example, that can be a standard
Scribe problem: the name 'Ken' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Kendall Clark Ken Fischer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Ken: perhaps there is a way for important buildings in federal blds for example, that can be a standard ←
13:43:04 <john> we use URIs to disambiguate
John Sheridan: we use URIs to disambiguate ←
13:43:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: we need a good blend of web and semantic standards
Scribe problem: the name 'Ken' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Kendall Clark Ken Fischer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Ken: we need a good blend of web and semantic standards ←
13:43:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: wikipedia is an example of a centralized data
Joe Carmel: wikipedia is an example of a centralized data ←
13:45:05 <josema> daniel, anne, I think "valid" is not enough (in fact it's not even needed in many cases), I think the interesting point is to be able to guess what the data is about, what's the structure, as daniel mentioned e.g. microformats for geop, even better if some sort of XML or RDF
José Alonso: daniel, anne, I think "valid" is not enough (in fact it's not even needed in many cases), I think the interesting point is to be able to guess what the data is about, what's the structure, as daniel mentioned e.g. microformats for geop, even better if some sort of XML or RDF ←
13:46:37 <john> does an agency have a location? or does only a building? (something purely topographical)
John Sheridan: does an agency have a location? or does only a building? (something purely topographical) ←
13:46:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: we should move to XML instead of RDF
Owen Ambur: we should move to XML instead of RDF ←
13:47:03 <josema> zakim, aaff is rick
José Alonso: zakim, aaff is rick ←
13:47:03 <Zakim> +rick; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rick; got it ←
13:47:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: more long talking
Daniel Bennett: more long talking ←
13:47:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Rick: not a good model for world, Owen
Scribe problem: the name 'Rick' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Rick: not a good model for world, Owen ←
13:48:30 <john> horses for courses, no?
John Sheridan: horses for courses, no? ←
13:48:38 <josema> I said this a million times, for me it's about chosing the right tool for the job, and I can ellaborate
José Alonso: I said this a million times, for me it's about chosing the right tool for the job, and I can ellaborate on that ←
13:48:55 <josema> s/ellaborate/ellaborate on that
13:49:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: W3C has combined XML with RDF into XHTML+RDFa
Daniel Bennett: W3C has combined XML with RDF into XHTML+RDFa ←
13:49:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: let a million flowers bloom
Joe Carmel: let a million flowers bloom ←
13:49:26 <annew> Thank you daniel for some diplomatic skills
Anne Washington: Thank you daniel for some diplomatic skills ←
13:50:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we should talk about best practices, not complete answers
Kevin Novak: we should talk about best practices, not complete answers ←
13:50:30 <josema> q+ to talk about not going the RDF vs. XML way
José Alonso: q+ to talk about not going the RDF vs. XML way ←
13:50:33 <Owen> Correction: I did not say not to use XML *instead* of RDF.
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Unknown Correction: I did not say not to use XML *instead* of RDF. [ Scribe Assist by Owen Ambur ] ←
13:50:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: we can use different things. but we should talk about it.
Joe Carmel: we can use different things. but we should talk about it. ←
13:51:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Anne: we have different ways to do things and we should have levels of completeness.
Anne Washington: we have different ways to do things and we should have levels of completeness. ←
13:51:21 <Owen> If we want folks to use RDF OR XML, we should help them do so.
Owen Ambur: If we want folks to use RDF OR XML, we should help them do so. ←
13:51:29 <john> whatever format you use (including Excel), we should be pushing for good uris
John Sheridan: whatever format you use (including Excel), we should be pushing for good uris ←
13:51:44 <josema> +1 to owen!
José Alonso: +1 to owen! ←
13:52:00 <Daniel_Bennett> john, we should use URLs if possible
john, we should use URLs if possible ←
13:52:01 <annew> Quick and dirty with a minimal amount of reusability. i.e. Joe's example of using .csv instead of .xls
Anne Washington: Quick and dirty with a minimal amount of reusability. i.e. Joe's example of using .csv instead of .xls ←
13:52:27 <aharvey> +1 to Anne's point
Adam Harvey: +1 to Anne's point ←
13:52:30 <josema> +1 to anne, too
José Alonso: +1 to anne, too ←
13:52:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: lets use some use quick and dirty methods.
Joe Carmel: lets use some use quick and dirty methods. ←
13:52:51 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose, please go ahead
Jose, please go ahead ←
13:53:33 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
13:53:37 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: first point to documentation
Dave McAllister: first point to documentation ←
13:54:08 <Owen> Documentation can be published in xsd:documentation elements within XML schemas.
Owen Ambur: Documentation can be published in xsd:documentation elements within XML schemas. ←
13:54:12 <john> +1 josema
John Sheridan: +1 josema ←
13:54:23 <kevin> +1 Josema
Kevin Novak: +1 Josema ←
13:54:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: let us not go into xml vs. rdf.
José Alonso: let us not go into xml vs. rdf. ←
13:54:53 <Owen> Why not suggest best practices for both?
Owen Ambur: Why not suggest best practices for both? ←
13:55:00 <john> rdf is really bad for legislation documents for example...
John Sheridan: rdf is really bad for legislation documents for example... ←
13:55:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: some cases we have different sources, we need to just get better data.
José Alonso: some cases we have different sources, we need to just get better data. ←
13:55:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: GRDDL is an interesting way to expose data
José Alonso: GRDDL is an interesting way to expose data ←
13:55:47 <john> also, there's lots to say for xhtml, no? as a great format ;)
John Sheridan: also, there's lots to say for xhtml, no? as a great format ;) ←
13:56:28 <annew> john: yes agree about rdf and leg docs. working on a leg schema. ...another discussion
John Sheridan: yes agree about rdf and leg docs. working on a leg schema. ...another discussion [ Scribe Assist by Anne Washington ] ←
13:57:00 <annew> I have a meeting on the hour. Hope the conversation goes back to interoperability issue in John's email.
Anne Washington: I have a meeting on the hour. Hope the conversation goes back to interoperability issue in John's email. ←
13:57:08 <josema> sure, namely XHTML2!
José Alonso: sure, namely XHTML2! ←
13:57:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: concentrate on releasing
José Alonso: concentrate on releasing ←
13:58:31 <josema> one can apply GRDDL to XHTML(2) then get RDF (and XHTML(2) is XML in the end) isn't it wonderful?
José Alonso: one can apply GRDDL to XHTML(2) then get RDF (and XHTML(2) is XML in the end) isn't it wonderful? ←
13:59:10 <josema> Daniel: BP1 = Documentation; BP2 = Standardization
Daniel Bennett: BP1 = Documentation; BP2 = Standardization [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:59:24 <annew> Anne's gotta go. Next time and online. Bye
Anne Washington: Anne's gotta go. Next time and online. Bye ←
13:59:30 <hughb> best practice for semantically exposing data
Hugh Barnes: best practice for semantically exposing data ←
13:59:32 <john> cheers Anne
John Sheridan: cheers Anne ←
13:59:32 <annew> bye
Anne Washington: bye ←
13:59:36 <Zakim> -annew
Zakim IRC Bot: -annew ←
13:59:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: talks a bit about BP of documentation
Daniel Bennett: talks a bit about BP of documentation ←
14:00:14 <Daniel_Bennett> bye Anne
bye Anne ←
14:01:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: that data.gov does point to some documentation
Joe Carmel: that data.gov does point to some documentation ←
14:01:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we should move to next agenda item
José Alonso: we should move to next agenda item ←
14:01:49 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets cover the Open Gov call
Kevin Novak: lets cover the Open Gov call first ←
14:01:57 <josema> s/call/call first
14:02:09 <john> I agree
John Sheridan: I agree ←
14:02:43 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: let me mention, I dont know how w3c will act.
José Alonso: let me mention, I dont know how w3c will act yet. ←
14:02:46 <Owen> One of the things the eGov IG could do is suggest additional datasets to include in Data.gov
Owen Ambur: One of the things the eGov IG could do is suggest additional datasets to include in Data.gov ←
14:04:08 <Owen> One dataset that might be good to include in Data.gov is the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA) dataset: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg_xmlreports/
Owen Ambur: One dataset that might be good to include in Data.gov is the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA) dataset: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg_xmlreports/ ←
14:04:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we will discuss whether data.gov is responded to. needs concensus
José Alonso: we will discuss whether data.gov is responded to. needs concensus ←
14:05:35 <josema> s/act/act yet
14:05:47 <hughb> +1
Hugh Barnes: +1 ←
14:05:47 <john> hmm - is that the right place to do that?
John Sheridan: hmm - is that the right place to do that? ←
14:06:08 <john> shouldn't we talk more generically?
John Sheridan: shouldn't we talk more generically? ←
14:07:01 <john> eg if you are a gov and want to surface data, data..gov is worth a look; it's great. If you wanted to do more, you could do x, y and z
John Sheridan: eg if you are a gov and want to surface data, data..gov is worth a look; it's great. If you wanted to do more, you could do x, y and z ←
14:07:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: we should have a w3c egov hosted discussion board
Daniel Bennett: we should have a w3c egov hosted discussion board ←
14:07:20 <josema> I like more john's approach
José Alonso: I like more john's approach ←
14:07:24 <aharvey> +1 to john
Adam Harvey: +1 to john ←
14:08:18 <john> happy for the ig to talk about gov data, less happy talking about just data.gov; albeit a great and startling and important initiative
John Sheridan: happy for the ig to talk about gov data, less happy talking about just data.gov; albeit a great and startling and important initiative ←
14:08:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I agree that there is only a short amount of time. we should put together consensus doc
Kevin Novak: I agree that there is only a short amount of time. we should put together consensus eGov IG doc ←
14:08:50 <josema> s/doc/eGov IG doc
14:09:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: like John put up generic comments. also have a blog with individual commentors.
Kevin Novak: like John put up generic comments. also have a blog with individual commentors. ←
14:09:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: blog is good idea.
Kevin Novak: blog is good idea. ←
14:10:01 <john> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:10:19 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 enthusiastically
+1 enthusiastically ←
14:11:06 <josema> +1, too
José Alonso: +1, too ←
14:11:25 <hughb> bye
Hugh Barnes: bye ←
14:11:30 <Zakim> -hughb
Zakim IRC Bot: -hughb ←
14:11:50 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:11:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: would this be in addition to examples?
Joe Carmel: would this be in addition to examples? ←
14:12:16 <Daniel_Bennett> what agenda are we on? still on 2?
what agenda are we on? still on 2? ←
14:12:35 <john> yup, still on 2 I think
John Sheridan: yup, still on 2 I think ←
14:13:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: we are hoping to create a page off of the wiki key ideas as well as blog
Joe Carmel: we are hoping to create a page off of the wiki key ideas as well as blog ←
14:13:33 <josema> yup
José Alonso: yup ←
14:14:43 <kevin> LOL
Kevin Novak: LOL ←
14:14:57 <Daniel_Bennett> ROTFL
ROTFL ←
14:15:00 <john> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
14:15:05 <josema> q-
José Alonso: q- ←
14:15:21 <josema> ack jo
José Alonso: ack jo ←
14:15:45 <Daniel_Bennett> John: I agree with Joe on doing experimentation as well as doing comments
John Sheridan: I agree with Joe on doing experimentation as well as doing comments ←
14:16:04 <Owen> I agree with Joe too.
Owen Ambur: I agree with Joe too. ←
14:16:15 <Daniel_Bennett> John: we can bring a broader perspective
John Sheridan: we can bring a broader perspective ←
14:16:25 <Daniel_Bennett> scribe notes only 14 minutes left
scribe notes only 14 minutes left ←
14:16:54 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:16:57 <Daniel_Bennett> and 2 agenda items left
and 2 agenda items left ←
14:17:44 <Daniel_Bennett> can we vote? blog, no blog. experiments, no experiments.
can we vote? blog, no blog. experiments, no experiments. ←
14:17:45 <Zakim> -rick
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Zakim IRC Bot: -rick ←
14:17:51 <josema> chairs?
José Alonso: chairs? ←
14:18:26 <john> blog is good, gives us some flex; lets move on ;)
John Sheridan: blog is good, gives us some flex; lets move on ;) ←
14:20:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets move forward
Kevin Novak: lets move forward ←
14:21:11 <josema> ACTION: kevin to collect comments
ACTION: kevin to collect comments ←
14:21:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Collect comments [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-06-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-64 - Collect comments [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-06-03]. ←
14:21:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin asks how to go forward
Kevin asks how to go forward ←
14:21:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: how to proceed?
Kevin Novak: how to proceed? ←
14:22:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: will be talking to press, so would like some feedback
Kevin Novak: will be talking to press, so would like some feedback ←
14:22:59 <josema> site to comment = http://opengov.ideascale.com/ ?
José Alonso: site to comment = http://opengov.ideascale.com/ ? ←
14:23:00 <john> too clever by half, I fear
John Sheridan: too clever by half, I fear ←
14:24:19 <john> issues paper covers heaps
John Sheridan: issues paper covers heaps ←
14:24:42 <john> so, maybe we just point to stuff thats there?
John Sheridan: so, maybe we just point to stuff thats there? ←
14:24:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: the group note can stand for our consensus
Kevin Novak: the group note can stand for our consensus ←
14:25:00 <Daniel_Bennett> 5 minutes left
5 minutes left ←
14:25:06 <aharvey> I'll be able to add comments on this stuff later today.
Adam Harvey: I'll be able to add comments on this stuff later today. ←
14:25:18 <Daniel_Bennett> and still 2 agenda items
and still 2 agenda items ←
14:26:26 <josema> re-reads: "...This online brainstorming session, open from May 21st to 28th, 2009..."
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Unknown re-reads: "...This online brainstorming session, open from May 21st to 28th, 2009..." [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:26:36 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: wonders about date for comments
Kevin Novak: wonders about date for comments ←
14:26:51 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: thought it would be longer
Rachel Flagg: thought it would be longer ←
14:26:53 <josema> apparently page not aligned to what was said on the call (June 2)
José Alonso: apparently page not aligned to what was said on the call (June 2) ←
14:26:59 <Daniel_Bennett> 3 minutes left
3 minutes left ←
14:27:07 <Daniel_Bennett> still 2 agenda items
still 2 agenda items ←
14:27:12 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:28:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: not enough time to discuss charter, but lets discuss plan
José Alonso: not enough time to discuss charter, but lets discuss plan ←
14:28:01 <john> great - go ahead
John Sheridan: great - go ahead ←
14:29:18 <aharvey> I will be unable to make the June 10 call
Adam Harvey: I will be unable to make the June 10 call ←
14:29:43 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we have deadlines
José Alonso: we have deadlines ←
14:30:07 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we have until mid-June for draft for charter
José Alonso: we have until mid-June for draft for charter ←
14:30:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: June 24 as a deadline to coincide with group call
José Alonso: June 24 as a deadline to coincide with group call ←
14:30:53 <josema> zakim, drop agendum 3
José Alonso: zakim, drop agendum 3 ←
14:30:53 <Zakim> agendum 3, Charter, dropped
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3, Charter, dropped ←
14:31:00 <josema> zakim, take up agendum 4
José Alonso: zakim, take up agendum 4 ←
14:31:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charter plan" taken up [from josema]
14:31:29 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I agree. and read through comments. I think that the action item is for chairs to compile into one pager
Kevin Novak: I agree. and read through comments. I think that the action item is for chairs to compile into one pager ←
14:31:36 <Daniel_Bennett> +1
+1 ←
14:31:39 <josema> current charter: http://dristachi.site/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter
José Alonso: current charter: http://dristachi.site/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter ←
14:32:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen, I got an email confirm back instantly from opengov.
Owen, I got an email confirm back instantly from opengov. ←
14:32:02 <john> sounds good
John Sheridan: sounds good ←
14:32:10 <josema> ACTION: kevin to draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help
ACTION: kevin to draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help ←
14:32:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-06-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-65 - Draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help [on Kevin Novak - due 2009-06-03]. ←
14:32:32 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:32:40 <john> think we're done
John Sheridan: think we're done ←
14:32:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: times up
Daniel Bennett: times up ←
14:32:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: agrees
José Alonso: agrees ←
14:33:13 <josema> topic: Gov 2.0 Summit
14:33:17 <aharvey> I'm trying to get an invite to that summit
Adam Harvey: I'm trying to get an invite to that summit ←
14:33:40 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we have an opportunity for Gov 2.0 summit. we can put together case study.
Kevin Novak: we have an opportunity for Gov 2.0 summit. we can put together case study. ←
14:33:56 <josema> [opportunitiy to have some IG people in there]
José Alonso: [opportunitiy to have some IG people in there] ←
14:34:27 <Daniel_Bennett> "Daniel and Joe, you can put together Rosetta Stone [and Repository Schema] for 20 min presentation.
"Daniel and Joe, you can put together Rosetta Stone [and Repository Schema] for 20 min presentation. ←
14:34:40 <Daniel_Bennett> "Daniel and Joe, you can put together Rosetta Stone [and Repository Schema] for 20 min presentation."
...Daniel and Joe, you can put together Rosetta Stone [and Repository Schema] for 20 min presentation.... ←
14:35:12 <josema> s/"/...
14:35:21 <josema> [kevin offers invites :)]
José Alonso: [kevin offers invites :)] ←
14:35:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: i'm done
Kevin Novak: i'm done ←
14:35:34 <Daniel_Bennett> adjourns
adjourns ←
14:35:36 <Daniel_Bennett> ?
? ←
14:35:40 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
14:35:43 <Zakim> -Sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharron ←
14:35:47 <Zakim> -Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -Kevin ←
14:35:49 <Zakim> -Ken
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14:35:49 <john> thanks everyone :)
John Sheridan: thanks everyone :) ←
14:35:51 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
14:35:52 <Zakim> -aharvey
Zakim IRC Bot: -aharvey ←
14:35:54 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←
14:35:56 <Zakim> -owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←
14:35:58 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
14:36:00 <aharvey> This was very informative. Thanks!
Adam Harvey: This was very informative. Thanks! ←
14:36:06 <joec> good session
Joe Carmel: good session ←
14:36:57 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:36:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:38:39 <Zakim> -joec
Zakim IRC Bot: -joec ←
14:50:35 <Zakim> -Josema
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14:50:55 <josema> zakim, bye
José Alonso: zakim, bye ←
14:50:55 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.216.443.aaaa, aharvey, +0073411aabb, Sharron, hughb, +1.202.319.aacc, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, +1.202.564.aaee, Kevin, Rachel,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.216.443.aaaa, aharvey, +0073411aabb, Sharron, hughb, +1.202.319.aacc, +1.410.992.aadd, Josema, +1.202.564.aaee, Kevin, Rachel, ←
14:50:58 <Zakim> ... owen, Ken, john, joec, Daniel_Bennett, annew, +1.202.219.aaff, rick
Zakim IRC Bot: ... owen, Ken, john, joec, Daniel_Bennett, annew, +1.202.219.aaff, rick ←
14:50:59 <josema> rrsagent, bye
José Alonso: rrsagent, bye ←
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-actions.rdf : ←
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kevin to collect comments [1]
ACTION: kevin to collect comments [1] ←
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-irc#T14-21-11
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-irc#T14-21-11 ←
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kevin to draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help [2]
ACTION: kevin to draft a 1-2 initial pager re: charter, john and jose to help [2] ←
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://dristachi.site/2009/05/27-egov-irc#T14-32-10
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