12:55:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-irc

12:55:59 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

12:55:59 <Zakim> ok, sandro, I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM already started

12:56:10 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

12:56:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P8

12:56:27 <Zakim> +Sandro

12:56:38 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

12:56:38 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

12:56:40 <Zakim> +Ivan

12:58:00 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

12:58:23 <Zakim> +??P11

12:58:30 <Zakim> + +0203334aaaa - is perhaps John

12:58:43 <Zakim> + +1.865.576.aabb

12:58:45 <juansequeda> zakim, ??P11 is me

12:58:45 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it

12:59:15 <Zakim> + +1.617.752.aacc

12:59:20 <JeniT> http://www.epimorphics.com/public/presentations/ldapi/egov-presentation.html#(1)

12:59:20 <Zakim> + +1.614.692.aadd

12:59:26 <Zakim> + +1.404.314.aaee

12:59:36 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

12:59:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see DaveReynolds, Sandro, Ivan, mhausenblas, juansequeda, John, +1.865.576.aabb, +1.617.752.aacc, +1.614.692.aadd, +1.404.314.aaee

12:59:50 <JeniT> I'm on the same line as John

13:00:28 <TomM> Conference call is full

13:00:54 <sandro> checkiing on it TomM

13:01:05 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

13:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see DaveReynolds, Sandro, Ivan, mhausenblas, juansequeda, John, +1.865.576.aabb, +1.617.752.aacc, +1.614.692.aadd, +1.404.314.aaee

13:01:40 <TomM> thx

13:03:04 <DaveReynolds> @olyerickson asked about streaming audio ... maybe another time :)

13:04:02 <TomM> now conference is restricted...

13:04:11 <sandro> still working on it!   sorry!

13:04:17 <TomM> thx

13:06:09 <sandro> yeah.   :-(

13:06:29 <sandro> I'm so sorry everyone.   I thought this was set up properly.

13:06:36 <sandro> Hopefully just another minute or two.

13:06:37 <Cory> Ok, I get back in the loop andd the loop is closed!

13:06:49 <edsu> sandro: no worries, it's a good problem to have imho :-)

13:07:11 <juansequeda> mhausenblas, really? I was expecting this :)

13:07:30 <Cory> I can set up a gotowebinar

13:08:46 <edsu> anyone know how many people are on the call? (that aren't in irc)

13:09:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with mhausenblas

13:09:52 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

13:10:05 <sandro> Yeah, 10.    People with w3c member access can see the list of all bridge users here: http://dristachi.site/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html

13:10:12 <johnlsheridan> how will we know when we can start?

13:10:34 <johnlsheridan> ok

13:10:49 <johnlsheridan> I think it might suit JeniT

13:10:50 <JeniT> Suits me. I hate talking on the phone at the best of times ;)

13:10:56 <Zakim> - +1.404.314.aaee

13:11:21 <JeniT> hi libby :)

13:11:28 <libby> hey jenit!

13:11:33 <libby> and all

13:11:39 <Chris> Evening all

13:11:41 <sandro> hey libby!

13:11:50 <libby> hey sandro ;-)

13:11:55 <sandro> waiting, waiting.  :-)

13:12:02 <libby> s/;-)/:-)/

13:12:42 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's making noise?

13:12:55 <Zakim> mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (31%), +1.614.692.aadd (18%), Ivan (11%)

13:13:07 <sandro> zakim, mute me

13:13:07 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted

13:13:11 <sandro> did that do it?

13:13:14 <JeniT> no

13:13:18 <ivan> zakim, mute me

13:13:18 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

13:13:19 <sandro> zakim, unmute me

13:13:19 <Zakim> Sandro should no longer be muted

13:13:27 <sandro> zakim, mute aadd

13:13:27 <Zakim> +1.614.692.aadd should now be muted

13:13:36 <ivan> aaaahhhh :-)

13:13:52 <Zakim> - +1.614.692.aadd

13:14:38 <Chris> meh - Probs with conf call sandro?

13:14:48 <sandro> Yes, Chris   :-(    :-(

13:14:56 <johnlsheridan> when we start, will people want to introduce themselves on the call, or just skip straight to the presentation?

13:15:22 <Chris> @sandro no stress - how long till fix?

13:15:24 <Zakim> + +1.573.522.aaff

13:15:36 <sandro> (and totally my fault, for setting up the teleconference reservation incorrectly.)

13:15:48 <Zakim> + +0782464aagg

13:16:02 <johnlsheridan> normally 10 people is enough for us :)

13:16:31 <TomM> twitter-effect.... :)

13:16:39 <libby> hey dave!

13:17:38 <mhausenblas> I guess so, TomM  - re Twitter http://search.twitter.com/search?q=egov+linked+data

13:17:50 <Cory> Sandro - I have a gotomeeting  webinar running, if needed

13:18:33 <sandro> Thanks, Cory.   In 10 years at W3C I've never had a problem, except once when the bridge's second redundant power supply blew out.

13:18:36 <Zakim> - +0782464aagg

13:19:13 <Cory> Its the every 10 year problems that get you!

13:21:04 <sandro> [The admin I'm talking to now isn't answering me....    hopefully that means she's getting up, or something.    But the real expert on the system is away helping with local flood relief operations.]

13:21:18 <sandro> er, getting *help* I mean

13:22:32 <edsu> sandro: so would that be ralph who is helping out w/ the flood relief

13:23:40 <JeniT> Zakim, John is johnlsheridan

13:23:40 <Zakim> +johnlsheridan; got it

13:23:53 <JeniT> Zakim, JeniT is with johnlsheridan

13:23:53 <Zakim> +JeniT; got it

13:24:06 <johnlsheridan> I'm being organised by JeniT (again)

13:24:14 <Chris> lol

13:24:16 <johnlsheridan> ok

13:24:18 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

13:24:20 <Zakim> -juansequeda

13:24:21 <Zakim> - +1.573.522.aaff

13:24:23 <Zakim> - +1.617.752.aacc

13:24:25 <ivan> zakim, drop me

13:24:25 <Zakim> -johnlsheridan

13:24:25 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

13:24:25 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

13:24:26 <Zakim> -Ivan

13:24:26 <Zakim> - +1.865.576.aabb

13:24:30 <Zakim> -Sandro

13:24:31 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended

13:24:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, Ivan, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, +0203334aaaa, +1.865.576.aabb, juansequeda, +1.617.752.aacc, +1.614.692.aadd, +1.404.314.aaee, cygri, +1.573.522.aaff,

13:24:35 <Zakim> ... +0782464aagg, johnlsheridan, JeniT

13:24:40 <Cory> On another note - I would like to try and spool up "outreach" again, looking for ideas and input

13:24:50 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

13:24:50 <Zakim> ok, sandro, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

13:24:50 <johnlsheridan> can we try and dial back now?

13:24:59 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

13:24:59 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

13:24:59 <sandro> yes.

13:25:06 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?

13:25:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas

13:25:08 <Zakim> + +1.865.576.aaaa

13:25:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

13:25:09 <Zakim> + +1.573.522.aabb

13:25:09 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

13:25:10 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

13:25:10 <Zakim> +??P5

13:25:12 <Zakim> +Ivan

13:25:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

13:25:26 <edsu> dang somebody sounds like they're in a laundromat :-)

13:25:27 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

13:25:28 <Zakim> +Sandro

13:25:35 <Zakim> +??P2

13:25:36 <Zakim> + +1.914.461.aacc

13:25:36 <Zakim> + +1.617.752.aadd

13:25:39 <Zakim> +Cory

13:25:39 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with mhausenblas

13:25:40 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

13:25:41 <Zakim> + +0203334aaee - is perhaps johnlsheridan

13:25:44 <edsu> sandro++

13:25:50 <ivan> isn't technology great?

13:25:52 <JeniT> Zakim, JeniT is with johnlsheridan

13:25:52 <Zakim> +JeniT; got it

13:25:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

13:26:03 <sandro> OKAY TO CALL NOW!!

13:26:04 <Zakim> + +1.617.619.aaff

13:26:05 <Zakim> + +03539149aagg

13:26:09 <edsu> ivan: :-)

13:26:22 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ++??P2 is me

13:26:22 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_lefort_cs, I do not recognize a party named '++??P2'

13:26:24 <TomM> :)

13:26:28 <Zakim> + +1.805.560.aahh

13:26:35 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, +??P2 is me

13:26:35 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_lefort_cs, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'

13:26:39 <Zakim> + +7.942.aaii

13:26:43 <Cory> So now we are goint to tell the world how to be interconnected, right!

13:26:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ??P2 is me

13:26:51 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it

13:26:57 <Zakim> + +1.617.521.aajj

13:27:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

13:27:13 <Zakim> +[CTIC]

13:27:43 <martinSpain> Zakim, [CTIC is martinSpain

13:27:43 <Zakim> +martinSpain; got it

13:29:06 <Zakim> +??P24

13:29:14 <danbri> zakim, I just joined

13:29:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I just joined', danbri

13:29:18 <JeniT> http://www.epimorphics.com/public/presentations/ldapi/egov-presentation.html

13:29:25 <sandro> zakim, ??P24 is danbri

13:29:25 <Zakim> +danbri; got it

13:31:11 <edsu> mhausenblas: sounds like you are volunteering :-)

13:31:34 <daniel> .mhausenblas... this would be good

13:31:42 <edsu> mhausenblas++

13:31:47 <johnlsheridan> +1 - sorry, I should have asked for a scribe!

13:32:00 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?

13:32:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, DaveReynolds, +1.573.522.aabb, DaveReynolds, Ivan, [IPcaller], mhausenblas, Sandro, +1.914.461.aacc, laurent_lefort_cs, +1.617.752.aadd,

13:32:03 <Zakim> ... Cory, johnlsheridan, [IPcaller.a], +1.617.619.aaff, +03539149aagg (muted), +1.805.560.aahh, +7.942.aaii, +1.617.521.aajj, [IPcaller.aa], martinSpain, danbri (muted)

<sandro> topic: Main Presentation: Linked Data API

<sandro> summary: Dave Reynolds and Jeni Tennison present a system for exposing the data available in SPARQL endpoints in ways which make them much easier to use for non-RDF-experts.

13:32:06 <Zakim> johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT

Zakim IRC Bot: johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT ←

13:32:08 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri ←

13:32:31 <olyerickson1> for thoe of us IRC only, please tell us the current slide...thanks!

Oly Erickson: for thoe of us IRC only, please tell us the current slide...thanks! ←

13:32:39 <mhausenblas> ok

ok ←

13:32:44 <sandro> still on slide 2 I believe

Sandro Hawke: still on slide 2 I believe ←

13:33:22 <sandro>  slide:3

Sandro Hawke: slide:3 ←

13:33:35 <mhausenblas> JeniT: goal is a middleware that hides away RDF/SPARQL complexity

Jeni Tennison: goal is a middleware that hides away RDF/SPARQL complexity ←

13:33:53 <Chris> @sandro --> PM.

Chris Beer: @sandro --> PM. ←

13:34:09 <Zakim> +Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand ←

13:34:19 <sandro>  slide:4

Sandro Hawke: slide:4 ←

13:34:21 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←

13:34:21 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←

13:34:25 <daniel> s, middleware transformation to rdf-based systems is out of scope?

Daniel Bennett: s, middleware transformation to rdf-based systems is out of scope? ←

13:34:33 <mhausenblas> JeniT: the middleware takes HTTP request and wraps the SPARQL endpoint

Jeni Tennison: the middleware takes HTTP request and wraps the SPARQL endpoint ←

13:34:50 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←

13:35:02 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (5%), Brand (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (5%), Brand (9%) ←

13:35:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←

13:35:42 <mhausenblas> JeniT: idea is that people deploy the middleware with API spec and serves multitude of formats

Jeni Tennison: idea is that people deploy the middleware with API spec and serves multitude of formats ←

13:35:52 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

13:36:02 <mhausenblas> ... make customisation easy

... make customisation easy ←

13:36:21 <mhausenblas> slide 5

slide 5 ←

13:36:30 <mhausenblas> JeniT: consumer side

Jeni Tennison: consumer side ←

13:37:12 <mhausenblas> ... the RDF format we had are 'ugly' and require changed tool chain

... the RDF format we had are 'ugly' and require changed tool chain ←

13:37:49 <sandro>  slide:6

Sandro Hawke: slide:6 ←

13:37:51 <mhausenblas> ... so in order to simplify the job we remove round-tripping and provide simple JSON

... so in order to simplify the job we remove round-tripping and provide simple JSON ←

13:38:03 <mhausenblas> JeniT: query

Jeni Tennison: query ←

13:38:13 <mhausenblas> ... SPARQL was perceived too complex

... SPARQL was perceived too complex ←

13:38:41 <mhausenblas> ... people want to list based on URIs

... people want to list based on URIs ←

13:39:00 <sandro> (great stuff, JeniT....  makes a lot of sense.)

Sandro Hawke: (great stuff, JeniT.... makes a lot of sense.) ←

13:39:21 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: what are the 'ugly' formats

Juan Sequeda: what are the 'ugly' formats ←

13:39:25 <daniel> what is the role of REST?/is there one?

Daniel Bennett: what is the role of REST?/is there one? ←

13:39:38 <mhausenblas> JeniT: RDF/XML

Jeni Tennison: RDF/XML ←

13:39:57 <Zakim> +Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel ←

13:40:03 <mhausenblas> JeniT: aim is to make it a RESTful protocol

Jeni Tennison: aim is to make it a RESTful protocol ←

13:40:12 <mhausenblas> ... get list of things

... get list of things ←

13:40:17 <mhausenblas> ... read-only ATM

... read-only ATM ←

13:40:24 <danbri> is the idea for this API to have multiple implementations, or is it mainly an implementation?

Dan Brickley: is the idea for this API to have multiple implementations, or is it mainly an implementation? ←

13:40:30 <danbri> <- question in irc as my audio is bad

Dan Brickley: <- question in irc as my audio is bad ←

13:40:52 <mhausenblas> JeniT: idea is to have a generic spec with many impls

Jeni Tennison: idea is to have a generic spec with many impls ←

13:41:23 <edsu> i guess this is the specification currently? http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/Specification

Ed Summers: i guess this is the specification currently? http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/Specification ←

13:41:37 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds wil now explain how it works behind the scenes

DaveReynolds wil now explain how it works behind the scenes ←

13:41:43 <JeniT> Yes, that's right edsu

Jeni Tennison: Yes, that's right edsu ←

13:41:45 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: slide 7

Dave Reynolds: slide 7 ←

13:42:22 <mhausenblas> ... the middleware takes HTTP request and figures how to translate it to SPARQL queries

... the middleware takes HTTP request and figures how to translate it to SPARQL queries ←

13:42:50 <mhausenblas> ... the vocab piece is needed to map types, labels, etc.

... the vocab piece is needed to map types, labels, etc. ←

13:43:01 <mhausenblas> slide 8

slide 8 ←

13:43:17 <daniel> does the mapping have a link to e.g. the d2r-server mapping stuff

Daniel Bennett: does the mapping have a link to e.g. the d2r-server mapping stuff ←

13:43:22 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: middleware == selector, viewer, formatter

Dave Reynolds: middleware == selector, viewer, formatter ←

13:44:48 <mhausenblas> (DaveReynolds explains details re the three components)

(DaveReynolds explains details re the three components) ←

13:44:59 <mhausenblas> slide 9

slide 9 ←

13:45:19 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: first you need to define the endpoint

Dave Reynolds: first you need to define the endpoint ←

13:45:46 <mhausenblas> ... for a SPARQL endpoint you define 1..N API endpoints

... for a SPARQL endpoint you define 1..N API endpoints ←

13:46:20 <mhausenblas> ... and then a view definition

... and then a view definition ←

13:46:59 <mhausenblas> slide 10

slide 10 ←

13:47:09 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: using it

Dave Reynolds: using it ←

13:47:46 <mhausenblas> ... GET on http://epimorph-pubx1.appspot.com/proxy/api/doc/schools

... GET on http://epimorph-pubx1.appspot.com/proxy/api/doc/schools ←

13:48:12 <mhausenblas> slide 11

slide 11 ←

13:48:59 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: you get back the top-level resource

Dave Reynolds: you get back the top-level resource ←

13:49:19 <mhausenblas> ... now in RDF/Turtle

... now in RDF/Turtle ←

13:49:54 <mhausenblas> slide 12

slide 12 ←

13:50:20 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: important that we return a list of resources not a set of "bindings"

Dave Reynolds: important that we return a list of resources not a set of "bindings" ←

13:50:29 <mhausenblas> ... conserve the linked data root

... conserve the resource-centric nature of linked data ←

13:50:58 <danbri> (this is a very healthy emphasis... the resource-centric aspect)

Dan Brickley: (this is a very healthy emphasis... the resource-centric aspect) ←

13:51:12 <mhausenblas> s/the linked data root/the resource-centric nature of linked data

13:51:37 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: further, it's paged

Dave Reynolds: further, it's paged ←

13:52:01 <mhausenblas> ... and finally multiple representations (JSON, RDF etc)

... and finally multiple representations (JSON, RDF etc) ←

13:52:13 <mhausenblas> slide 13

slide 13 ←

13:52:37 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: just put a .json on the end and you get a JSON representation

Dave Reynolds: just put a .json on the end and you get a JSON representation ←

13:53:15 <Zakim> + +1.303.869.aakk

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.869.aakk ←

13:53:35 <mhausenblas> ... result is an array which conserves the Linked Data structure

... result is an array which conserves the Linked Data structure ←

13:53:37 <mhausenblas> slide 14

slide 14 ←

13:54:00 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: goal was to keep the JSON simple/natural

Dave Reynolds: goal was to keep the JSON simple/natural ←

13:54:21 <mhausenblas> ... uniform tree structure

... uniform tree structure ←

13:55:38 <mhausenblas> ... also gives context information (mapping, etc.)

... also gives context information (mapping, etc.) ←

13:55:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

13:55:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

13:55:53 <mhausenblas> slide 15

slide 15 ←

13:56:00 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public ←

13:56:12 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: filtering

Dave Reynolds: filtering ←

13:56:24 <Zakim> - +1.573.522.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.573.522.aabb ←

13:56:48 <mhausenblas> ... you can narrow down by changing URI

... you can narrow down by changing URI ←

13:57:25 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

13:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

13:58:10 <mhausenblas> slide 16

slide 16 ←

13:58:25 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: sublists and patterns

Dave Reynolds: sublists and patterns ←

13:58:46 <mhausenblas> ... package useful filters into endpoints

... package useful filters into endpoints ←

13:59:52 <mhausenblas> ... leverage URI patterns

... leverage URI patterns ←

14:00:30 <mhausenblas> slide 17

slide 17 ←

14:00:32 <Zakim> + +1.410.965.aall

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.965.aall ←

14:01:06 <mhausenblas> Michael: wondering if the template is based on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate

Michael Hausenblas: wondering if the template is based on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate ←

14:01:34 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: assisting with formulating queries

Dave Reynolds: assisting with formulating queries ←

14:01:38 <JeniT> mhausenblas: no, simpler, because it's for parsing rather than generation

Michael Hausenblas: no, simpler, because it's for parsing rather than generation [ Scribe Assist by Jeni Tennison ] ←

14:01:48 <mhausenblas> hmmm

hmmm ←

14:01:51 <JeniT> mhausenblas: rather, it's *based on*, but not everything from

Michael Hausenblas: rather, it's *based on*, but not everything from [ Scribe Assist by Jeni Tennison ] ←

14:02:23 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks JeniT - I see

Michael Hausenblas: thanks JeniT - I see ←

14:02:31 <juansequeda> what is the link to the spec?

Juan Sequeda: what is the link to the spec? ←

14:02:48 <DaveReynolds> Spec is at: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/Specification

Dave Reynolds: Spec is at: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/Specification ←

14:02:49 <mhausenblas> JeniT wraps up

JeniT wraps up ←

14:03:04 <mhausenblas> JeniT: something we found we really needed

Jeni Tennison: something we found we really needed ←

14:03:08 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

14:03:18 <Cory> we did something similar bit were concerned about acceptance: http://www.modeldriven.org/projects/EKB/XMLView.ppt

Cory Casanave: we did something similar bit were concerned about acceptance: http://www.modeldriven.org/projects/EKB/XMLView.ppt ←

14:03:19 <sandro> if you have questions, please use "q+" on irc

Sandro Hawke: if you have questions, please use "q+" on irc ←

14:03:30 <mhausenblas> ... normal consumers (Web develeopers the scribe thinks?) not willing to handle RDF

... normal consumers (Web develeopers the scribe thinks?) not willing to handle RDF ←

14:03:59 <libby> q+

Libby Miller: q+ ←

14:04:02 <mhausenblas> JeniT: it simplifies many tasks

Jeni Tennison: it simplifies many tasks ←

14:04:12 <Zakim> - +1.303.869.aakk

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.869.aakk ←

14:04:12 <mhausenblas> ... no need to learn SPARQL

... no need to learn SPARQL ←

14:04:44 <daniel> sidenote : is there a way to push the json-output to the libs such as jena2?

Daniel Bennett: sidenote : is there a way to push the json-output to the libs such as jena2? ←

14:05:33 <mhausenblas> JeniT: through preserving the linked data aspects the users can still extend/learn more

Jeni Tennison: through preserving the linked data aspects the users can still extend/learn more ←

14:05:51 <mhausenblas> ... other side is helping the publishers of linked data

... other side is helping the publishers of linked data ←

14:05:57 <DaveReynolds> daniel - json-output is in an open source project and works with Jena

Dave Reynolds: daniel - json-output is in an open source project and works with Jena ←

14:06:06 <mhausenblas> JeniT:  simple config - rich API

Jeni Tennison: simple config - rich API ←

14:06:10 <Zakim> + +1.303.869.aamm

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.869.aamm ←

14:06:18 <Zakim> - +1.914.461.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.914.461.aacc ←

14:06:30 <daniel> DaveReynolds: ok, thx  - do you have a link for that?

Dave Reynolds: ok, thx - do you have a link for that? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←

14:06:43 <DaveReynolds> daniel - see http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/source/checkout

Dave Reynolds: daniel - see http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/source/checkout ←

14:06:54 <johnlsheridan> ack libby

John Sheridan: ack libby ←

14:06:55 <juansequeda> q+

Juan Sequeda: q+ ←

14:07:00 <DaveReynolds> Not yet formally released and supported ! :)

Dave Reynolds: Not yet formally released and supported ! :) ←

14:07:05 <mhausenblas> libby: really impressive stuff

Libby Miller: really impressive stuff ←

14:07:14 <danbri> q+ to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose names/labels begin with...')...

Dan Brickley: q+ to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose names/labels begin with...')... ←

14:07:21 <edsu> q+ to ask slide 13

Ed Summers: q+ to ask slide 13 ←

14:07:27 <mhausenblas> libby:  are people now complaining less?

Libby Miller: are people now complaining less? ←

14:07:50 <mhausenblas> JeniT: have presented this on certain meet-ups and very positive feedback, yes

Jeni Tennison: have presented this on certain meet-ups and very positive feedback, yes ←

14:08:11 <mhausenblas> libby: does this include also non-RDF-people?

Libby Miller: does this include also non-RDF-people? ←

14:08:21 <johnlsheridan> ack juansequeda

John Sheridan: ack juansequeda ←

14:08:26 <libby> thanks ;-)

Libby Miller: thanks ;-) ←

14:08:35 <mhausenblas> JeniT: most are sort of RDF aware,

Jeni Tennison: most are sort of RDF aware, ←

14:09:23 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: people often think RDF == XML, what's you experiences with this?

Juan Sequeda: people often think RDF == XML, what's you experiences with this? ←

14:09:27 <Cory> Objection 1: RDF is XML.  Objection 2: RDF isn't XML

Cory Casanave: Objection 1: RDF is XML. Objection 2: RDF isn't XML ←

14:09:32 <mhausenblas> juansequeda: future plans?

Juan Sequeda: future plans? ←

14:09:45 <Zakim> + +1.559.445.aann

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.559.445.aann ←

14:10:01 <edsu> ok :-)

Ed Summers: ok :-) ←

14:10:41 <juansequeda> edsu, it is me :)

Juan Sequeda: edsu, it is me :) ←

14:10:58 <edsu> mhausenblas++

Ed Summers: mhausenblas++ ←

14:11:01 <JeniT> PHP implementation: http://code.google.com/p/puelia-php/

Jeni Tennison: PHP implementation: http://code.google.com/p/puelia-php/ ←

14:11:18 <libby> heh

Libby Miller: heh ←

14:11:20 <johnlsheridan> ack danbri

John Sheridan: ack danbri ←

14:11:21 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose

Zakim IRC Bot: danbri, you wanted to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose ←

14:11:23 <JeniT> Ruby implementation: http://github.com/ldodds/linked-data-api

Jeni Tennison: Ruby implementation: http://github.com/ldodds/linked-data-api ←

14:11:25 <Zakim> ... names/labels begin with...')...

Zakim IRC Bot: ... names/labels begin with...')... ←

14:11:26 <danbri> ack me

Dan Brickley: ack me ←

14:11:27 <danbri> danbri: q+ to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose names/labels begin with...')...

Dan Brickley: q+ to ask (if someone can relay this into audio) ... any interest in going further towards full text search, ranking, auto-completion ('give me schools whose names/labels begin with...')... [ Scribe Assist by Dan Brickley ] ←

14:11:39 <johnlsheridan> q?

John Sheridan: q? ←

14:11:51 <Cory> q+

Cory Casanave: q+ ←

14:12:13 <JeniT> Java implementation: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/

Jeni Tennison: Java implementation: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/ ←

14:12:30 <juansequeda> JeniT, any plans of coming to the US anytime soon?

Juan Sequeda: JeniT, any plans of coming to the US anytime soon? ←

14:12:36 <johnlsheridan> ack edsu

John Sheridan: ack edsu ←

14:12:36 <Zakim> edsu, you wanted to ask slide 13

Zakim IRC Bot: edsu, you wanted to ask slide 13 ←

14:12:37 <danbri> thanks dave!

Dan Brickley: thanks dave! ←

14:12:41 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: there are some hooks for these things danbri but no active developments ATM

Dave Reynolds: there are some hooks for these things danbri but no active developments ATM ←

14:13:19 <mhausenblas> JeniT: we support extension points in the middleware

Jeni Tennison: we support extension points in the middleware ←

14:13:26 <danbri> (i have a hunch auto-complete will end up being important...)

Dan Brickley: (i have a hunch auto-complete will end up being important...) ←

14:13:27 <edsu> http://epimorph-pubx1.appspot.com/proxy/api/doc/schools.json

Ed Summers: http://epimorph-pubx1.appspot.com/proxy/api/doc/schools.json ←

14:13:33 <mhausenblas> edsu: question re slide 13

Ed Summers: question re slide 13 ←

14:13:36 <mhausenblas> ack edsu

ack edsu ←

14:14:06 <mhausenblas> edsu: so you have a list of schools

Ed Summers: so you have a list of schools ←

14:14:31 <mhausenblas> ... what about a link back to the API to get the JSON back

... what about a link back to the API to get the JSON back ←

14:14:45 <JeniT> juansequeda, I'm over for WWW2010 and then for Semtech 2010 :)

Jeni Tennison: juansequeda, I'm over for WWW2010 and then for Semtech 2010 :) ←

14:15:22 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: at the top level (next, previous page) there is also the alternative formats

Dave Reynolds: at the top level (next, previous page) there is also the alternative formats ←

14:15:35 <mhausenblas> ... same works for item-level

... same works for item-level ←

14:15:39 <juansequeda> JeniT, great Looking forward to finally meeting you at WWW2010 and at Semtech :) Any free time? Would you like to come to Austin?

Juan Sequeda: JeniT, great Looking forward to finally meeting you at WWW2010 and at Semtech :) Any free time? Would you like to come to Austin? ←

14:16:13 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: we have not gone so far to offer it for every resource, no

Dave Reynolds: we have not gone so far to offer it for every resource, no ←

14:16:30 <johnlsheridan> ack Cory

John Sheridan: ack Cory ←

14:16:38 <JeniT> juansequeda, probably won't have time :( But hope we can meet at the conferences

Jeni Tennison: juansequeda, probably won't have time :( But hope we can meet at the conferences ←

14:17:06 <mhausenblas> Cory: you mentioned XXX - plans for it?

Cory Casanave: you mentioned XXX - plans for it? ←

14:17:23 <Cory> XXX = update

Cory Casanave: update = update ←

14:17:34 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: current motivation and reqs stems from data.gov.uk

Dave Reynolds: current motivation and reqs stems from data.gov.uk ←

14:17:53 <mhausenblas> s/XXX/update

14:18:01 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:18:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:18:22 <edsu> mhausenblas: i asked the question awkwardly, i meant to ask if the spec would allow people to follow their nose in the json data, so individual schools in that response would have a linked-data-api uri to get the item level json for a school

Michael Hausenblas: i asked the question awkwardly, i meant to ask if the spec would allow people to follow their nose in the json data, so individual schools in that response would have a linked-data-api uri to get the item level json for a school [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

14:18:23 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: re updates - we'd be open to any ideas, currently not supported

Dave Reynolds: re updates - we'd be open to any ideas, currently not supported ←

14:19:13 <mhausenblas> JeniT: have seen such a requirement already, recently

Jeni Tennison: have seen such a requirement already, recently ←

14:19:48 <mhausenblas> Michael: notes http://esw.w3.org/WriteWebOfData and happy to follow up with you chaps

Michael Hausenblas: notes http://esw.w3.org/WriteWebOfData and happy to follow up with you chaps ←

14:20:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:20:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:20:35 <Zakim> - +1.617.521.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.521.aajj ←

14:20:35 <edsu> does irc.w3.org respond on port 80?

Ed Summers: does irc.w3.org respond on port 80? ←

14:21:13 <DaveReynolds> You're welcome :)

Dave Reynolds: You're welcome :) ←

14:21:13 <ivan> clap clap clap

Ivan Herman: clap clap clap ←

14:21:14 <danbri> edsu, it seems to talk irc: on :80, yes

Dan Brickley: edsu, it seems to talk irc: on :80, yes ←

14:21:20 <Zakim> - +1.805.560.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.805.560.aahh ←

14:21:21 <danbri> i hadn't thought to look before :)

Dan Brickley: i hadn't thought to look before :) ←

14:21:23 <ivan> ivan drop me

Ivan Herman: ivan drop me ←

14:21:28 <mhausenblas> johnlsheridan: thanks for presenting JeniT and DaveReynolds

John Sheridan: thanks for presenting JeniT and DaveReynolds ←

14:21:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> * laurent claps

Laurent LeFort: * laurent claps ←

14:21:36 <libby> thanks all

Libby Miller: thanks all ←

14:21:44 <Zakim> - +7.942.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: - +7.942.aaii ←

14:21:51 <Zakim> -danbri

Zakim IRC Bot: -danbri ←

14:21:56 <Zakim> - +1.617.752.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.752.aadd ←

14:22:03 <Zakim> -martinSpain

Zakim IRC Bot: -martinSpain ←

14:22:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←

14:22:34 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:22:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, DaveReynolds, DaveReynolds, Ivan (muted), mhausenblas, Sandro, laurent_lefort_cs, Cory, johnlsheridan, [IPcaller.a], +1.617.619.aaff,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, DaveReynolds, DaveReynolds, Ivan (muted), mhausenblas, Sandro, laurent_lefort_cs, Cory, johnlsheridan, [IPcaller.a], +1.617.619.aaff, ←

14:22:38 <Zakim> ... +03539149aagg (muted), [IPcaller.aa], Brand, Rachel, +1.410.965.aall, +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +03539149aagg (muted), [IPcaller.aa], Brand, Rachel, +1.410.965.aall, +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann ←

14:22:41 <Zakim> johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT

Zakim IRC Bot: johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT ←

14:22:42 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri ←

<sandro> Topic: Announcements

14:22:58 <mhausenblas> sandro: any announcements?

Sandro Hawke: any announcements? ←

14:22:58 <kate_geyer> Kate from MA, US, staying until the end

Kate Geyer: Kate from MA, US, staying until the end ←

14:23:19 <mhausenblas> sandro: DCAT will start its work tomorrow

Sandro Hawke: DCAT will start its work tomorrow ←

14:23:46 <mhausenblas> sandro: meeting in two weeks will host speakers from ZZZ

Sandro Hawke: meeting in two weeks will host speakers from New York state legislature ←

14:23:55 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←

14:23:58 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:23:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:24:12 <mhausenblas> Chair: johnlsheridan

14:25:29 <sandro> s/ZZZ/New York state legislature/

14:25:36 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←

14:25:44 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:25:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:26:12 <mhausenblas> Cory: in outreach want to find out in what people are interested in

Cory Casanave: in outreach want to find out in what people are interested in ←

14:26:22 <mhausenblas> ... will do some work in Wiki and send out email

... will do some work in Wiki and send out email ←

14:28:03 <mhausenblas> johnlsheridan: will talk about in chairs group but would like to update the note with recent activities

John Sheridan: will talk about in chairs group but would like to update the note with recent activities ←

14:29:56 <mhausenblas> BrianG: some uptake of catalogue in Colorado

Brian Gryth: some uptake of catalogue in Colorado ←

14:30:42 <mhausenblas> OwenAmbur: there are two other activities

Owen Ambur: there are two other activities ←

14:30:51 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←

14:30:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, DaveReynolds, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, Sandro, laurent_lefort_cs, Cory, johnlsheridan, +1.617.619.aaff, +03539149aagg (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, DaveReynolds, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, Sandro, laurent_lefort_cs, Cory, johnlsheridan, +1.617.619.aaff, +03539149aagg (muted), ←

14:30:55 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller.aa], Brand, Rachel, +1.410.965.aall, +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann

Zakim IRC Bot: ... [IPcaller.aa], Brand, Rachel, +1.410.965.aall, +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann ←

14:30:57 <Zakim> johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT

Zakim IRC Bot: johnlsheridan has johnlsheridan, JeniT ←

14:30:58 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri ←

14:31:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmarkus, cutlass, equaliser, jpf, RichW, Rachel, mib_lo55ig, OwenAmbur, libby, cygri, Cornelia, Cory, Daniel_Bennett, kate_geyer, olyerickson1, colin, martinSpain,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmarkus, cutlass, equaliser, jpf, RichW, Rachel, mib_lo55ig, OwenAmbur, libby, cygri, Cornelia, Cory, Daniel_Bennett, kate_geyer, olyerickson1, colin, martinSpain, ←

14:31:02 <johnlsheridan> q?

John Sheridan: q? ←

14:31:02 <mhausenblas> scribe can't understand OwenAmbur  - anyone?

scribe can't understand OwenAmbur - anyone? ←

14:31:04 <Zakim> ... laurent_lefort_cs, fadi, JeniT, RRSAgent, johnlsheridan, DaveReynolds, juansequeda, mhausenblas, hughb, edsu, Zakim, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... laurent_lefort_cs, fadi, JeniT, RRSAgent, johnlsheridan, DaveReynolds, juansequeda, mhausenblas, hughb, edsu, Zakim, sandro, trackbot ←

14:31:35 <Zakim> - +1.617.619.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.619.aaff ←

14:31:41 <Zakim> - +03539149aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +03539149aagg ←

14:31:56 <OwenAmbur> IAC is conducting a social media best practices study.

Owen Ambur: IAC is conducting a social media best practices study. ←

14:32:02 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:32:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:32:13 <OwenAmbur> They will be interviewing a number of .gov officials for the study.

Owen Ambur: They will be interviewing a number of .gov officials for the study. ←

14:32:47 <Zakim> -Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand ←

14:32:49 <Zakim> - +1.410.965.aall

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.410.965.aall ←

14:32:49 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]

[adjourned] ←

14:32:50 <Zakim> -Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←

14:32:50 <Zakim> - +1.559.445.aann

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.559.445.aann ←

14:32:52 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←

14:32:52 <Zakim> -edsu

Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu ←

14:32:54 <OwenAmbur> Under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government, Professor Pat Franks is also conducting a similar study.

Owen Ambur: Under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government, Professor Pat Franks is also conducting a similar study. ←

14:32:56 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

14:32:58 <Zakim> -johnlsheridan

Zakim IRC Bot: -johnlsheridan ←

14:33:00 <Zakim> -Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: -Cory ←

14:33:04 <Zakim> - +1.303.869.aamm

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.869.aamm ←

14:33:06 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←

14:33:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:33:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://dristachi.site/2010/04/14-egov-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

14:33:12 <Zakim> -laurent_lefort_cs

Zakim IRC Bot: -laurent_lefort_cs ←

14:33:15 <sandro> thanks so much for scribing, mhausenblas.      I can take them from here, thanks!

Sandro Hawke: thanks so much for scribing, mhausenblas. I can take them from here, thanks! ←

14:33:32 <mhausenblas> yw - thanks for taking care of the rest ;)

yw - thanks for taking care of the rest ;) ←

14:33:38 <JeniT> bye :)

Jeni Tennison: bye :) ←

14:33:49 <Zakim> - +1.865.576.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.865.576.aaaa ←

14:33:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.aa] ←

14:33:51 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←

14:33:51 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←

14:33:53 <Zakim> Attendees were edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, +1.573.522.aabb, Ivan, DaveReynolds, [IPcaller], mhausenblas, Sandro, +1.914.461.aacc, +1.617.752.aadd, Cory, cygri, +0203334aaee, JeniT,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were edsu, +1.865.576.aaaa, +1.573.522.aabb, Ivan, DaveReynolds, [IPcaller], mhausenblas, Sandro, +1.914.461.aacc, +1.617.752.aadd, Cory, cygri, +0203334aaee, JeniT, ←

14:33:58 <Zakim> ... +1.617.619.aaff, +03539149aagg, +1.805.560.aahh, +7.942.aaii, laurent_lefort_cs, +1.617.521.aajj, [CTIC], martinSpain, danbri, Brand, Rachel, +1.303.869.aakk, +1.410.965.aall,

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.617.619.aaff, +03539149aagg, +1.805.560.aahh, +7.942.aaii, laurent_lefort_cs, +1.617.521.aajj, [CTIC], martinSpain, danbri, Brand, Rachel, +1.303.869.aakk, +1.410.965.aall, ←

14:34:00 <Zakim> ... +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.303.869.aamm, +1.559.445.aann ←

14:50:23 <sandro> just about to send it out, cygri

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Sandro Hawke: just about to send it out, cygri ←

14:50:31 <sandro> finishing adding logistics

Sandro Hawke: finishing adding logistics ←

14:54:49 <cygri> cheers sandro, and thanks for the plug during the meeting!

Richard Cyganiak: cheers sandro, and thanks for the plug during the meeting! ←

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