15:54:47 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started ←

15:55:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←

15:55:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←

15:55:24 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←

15:55:38 <Zakim> +[Garlik]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik] ←

15:55:48 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

15:55:48 <Zakim> +SteveH, mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH, mischat; got it ←

15:55:57 <mischat_> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←

15:55:57 <Zakim> sorry, mischat_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

15:56:03 <Zakim> + +1.347.243.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.347.243.aaaa ←

15:56:33 <Azimmerm> zakim, +1.347.243.aaaa is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +1.347.243.aaaa is me ←

15:56:33 <Zakim> +Azimmerm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Azimmerm; got it ←

15:56:39 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is making noise ←

15:56:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is making noise', mischat ←

15:56:50 <Azimmerm> zakim, mute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←

15:56:50 <Zakim> Azimmerm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Azimmerm should now be muted ←

15:56:53 <Zakim> +Bernadette

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernadette ←

15:57:03 <SteveH> Zakim, who is speaking

Steve Harris: Zakim, who is speaking ←

15:57:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is speaking', SteveH ←

15:57:23 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise?

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is making noise? ←

15:57:34 <Zakim> mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tony (57%), [Garlik] (57%), Ivan (42%)

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tony (57%), [Garlik] (57%), Ivan (42%) ←

15:57:42 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←

15:57:42 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

15:57:43 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←

15:57:46 <davidwood> Zakim: Bernadette is David Wood

15:57:55 <mischat> zakim, mute [Garlik]

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute [Garlik] ←

15:57:55 <Zakim> [Garlik] should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] should now be muted ←

15:58:07 <phayes3> I hear a magic dragon

Patrick Hayes: I hear a magic dragon ←

15:58:21 <mischat> zakim, Barnadette is temporarily davidwood

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, Barnadette is temporarily davidwood ←

15:58:21 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named 'Barnadette'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named 'Barnadette' ←

15:58:32 <Zakim> + +1.650.917.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.917.aabb ←

15:58:40 <davidwood> Zakim, Bernadette is davidwood

David Wood: Zakim, Bernadette is davidwood ←

15:58:40 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←

15:58:51 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←

15:59:18 <pfps> Hmm, heavy breathing .... brings back fond memories of OWL WG teleconferences

Peter Patel-Schneider: Hmm, heavy breathing .... brings back fond memories of OWL WG teleconferences ←

15:59:18 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←

15:59:27 <pfps> zakim, who am i

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who am i ←

15:59:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who am i', pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who am i', pfps ←

15:59:30 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←

15:59:40 <AndyS> zakim, ??P11 is AndyS

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P11 is AndyS ←

15:59:40 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

16:00:13 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

16:00:17 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:00:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, +1.650.917.aabb, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, +1.650.917.aabb, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro ←

16:00:20 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:00:24 <Zakim> + +1.408.642.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.642.aacc ←

16:00:26 <Zakim> + +20598aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +20598aadd ←

16:00:37 <pfps> please don't identify yourself on the call

Peter Patel-Schneider: please don't identify yourself on the call ←

16:00:46 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aaee ←

16:00:57 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←

16:01:04 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←

16:01:14 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, ??P27 is me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←

16:01:14 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeremyCarroll; got it ←

16:01:16 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Gavin

zakim, aabb is Gavin ←

16:01:16 <Zakim> +Gavin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Gavin; got it ←

16:01:28 <zwu2> zakim, aacc is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, aacc is me ←

16:01:28 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←

16:01:31 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←

16:01:35 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←

16:01:35 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←

16:02:06 <Souri> who is on the phone?

Souripriya Das: who is on the phone? ←

16:02:16 <Souri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Souripriya Das: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

16:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, +1.443.212.aaee,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, +1.443.212.aaee, ←

16:02:18 <pfps> zakim, who is on the call?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:02:19 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25 ←

16:02:21 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:02:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, +1.443.212.aaee,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, +1.443.212.aaee, ←

16:02:24 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25 ←

16:02:25 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:02:34 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←

16:02:35 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←

16:02:37 <sandro> zakim, aaee is Alex_Hall

zakim, aaee is Alex_Hall ←

16:02:37 <Zakim> +Alex_Hall; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alex_Hall; got it ←

16:02:55 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:02:56 <Zakim> + +43.664.812.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.664.812.aaff ←

16:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, +20598aadd, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll ←

16:03:04 <tomayac_> i'm dialing in via skype using the us number, no idea at all what number this uses...

Thomas Steiner: i'm dialing in via skype using the us number, no idea at all what number this uses... ←

16:03:04 <Zakim> ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, +43.664.812.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, +43.664.812.aaff ←

16:03:06 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:03:07 <Zakim> + +34.67.92.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.67.92.aagg ←

16:03:12 <AndyS> but does not remember skype calls

Andy Seaborne: but does not remember skype calls ←

16:03:19 <mbrunati> i'm here from the fr number

Matteo Brunati: i'm here from the fr number ←

16:03:24 <sandro> zakim, aaff is JFB

zakim, aaff is JFB ←

16:03:24 <Zakim> +JFB; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JFB; got it ←

16:03:52 <sandro> zakim, +20598aadd is Guus

zakim, +20598aadd is Guus ←

16:03:52 <Zakim> +Guus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus; got it ←

16:03:54 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aahh ←

16:04:00 <tomayac_> i'm physically in belgium, not sure if skype uses a belgian number then

Thomas Steiner: i'm physically in belgium, not sure if skype uses a belgian number then ←

16:04:14 <Zakim> +cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri ←

16:04:25 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←

16:04:32 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P10

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P10 ←

16:04:32 <Zakim> +manu1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←

16:04:35 <tomayac_> btw. the french number refused my passcode

Thomas Steiner: btw. the french number refused my passcode ←

16:04:40 <sandro> zakim, is +33.4.92.38.aahh is JeanFrancois

zakim, is +33.4.92.38.aahh is JeanFrancois ←

16:04:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'is +33.4.92.38.aahh is JeanFrancois', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'is +33.4.92.38.aahh is JeanFrancois', sandro ←

16:04:45 <corby> Zakim, aahh is me

Olivier Corby: Zakim, aahh is me ←

16:04:45 <Zakim> +corby; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +corby; got it ←

16:04:45 <tomayac_> the same code worked on the us number

Thomas Steiner: the same code worked on the us number ←

16:04:46 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

16:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll ←

16:04:48 <sandro> zakim, is aahh is JeanFrancois

zakim, is aahh is JeanFrancois ←

16:04:48 <phayes3> the breathing dragon is back.

Patrick Hayes: the breathing dragon is back. ←

16:04:49 <Zakim> ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, JFB, +34.67.92.aagg, corby, cygri, manu1

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, JFB, +34.67.92.aagg, corby, cygri, manu1 ←

16:04:50 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:04:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'is aahh is JeanFrancois', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'is aahh is JeanFrancois', sandro ←

16:04:58 <sandro> zakim, iaahh is JeanFrancois

zakim, iaahh is JeanFrancois ←

16:04:58 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'iaahh'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'iaahh' ←

16:05:02 <sandro> zakim, aahh is JeanFrancois

zakim, aahh is JeanFrancois ←

16:05:02 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh' ←

16:05:05 <mbrunati> maybe i'm ??P12

Matteo Brunati: maybe i'm ??P12 ←

16:05:10 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←

16:05:34 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll ←

16:05:36 <ivan> zakim, JFB is Dieter

Ivan Herman: zakim, JFB is Dieter ←

16:05:37 <Zakim> ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, JFB, +34.67.92.aagg, corby, cygri, manu1, ??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, JFB, +34.67.92.aagg, corby, cygri, manu1, ??P18 ←

16:05:39 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:05:39 <Zakim> +Dieter; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Dieter; got it ←

16:05:56 <tomayac_> probably me

Thomas Steiner: probably me ←

16:05:58 <tomayac_> 34

Thomas Steiner: 34 ←

16:06:02 <sandro> zakim, aagg tomayac_

zakim, aagg tomayac_ ←

16:06:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aagg tomayac_', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aagg tomayac_', sandro ←

16:06:06 <sandro> zakim, aagg is tomayac_

zakim, aagg is tomayac_ ←

16:06:06 <Zakim> +tomayac_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac_; got it ←

16:06:06 <mischat> 34 == spain

Mischa Tuffield: 34 == spain ←

16:06:14 <pfps> sandro needs to relearn how to type.

Peter Patel-Schneider: sandro needs to relearn how to type. ←

16:06:40 <NickH> zakim, ?P18 is BBC

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ?P18 is BBC ←

16:06:40 <Zakim> sorry, NickH, I do not recognize a party named '?P18'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, NickH, I do not recognize a party named '?P18' ←

16:06:46 <NickH> zakim, ??P18 is BBC

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P18 is BBC ←

16:06:46 <Zakim> +BBC; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BBC; got it ←

16:06:49 <phayes3> Oh, this is SO like old times...

Patrick Hayes: Oh, this is SO like old times... ←

16:06:54 <NickH> BBC is both me and yves

Nicholas Humfrey: BBC is both me and yves ←

16:06:55 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q- ←

16:06:58 <phayes3> :-)

Patrick Hayes: :-) ←

16:07:00 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:07:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2, Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll ←

16:07:04 <Zakim> ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC ←

16:07:06 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:07:10 <LeeF> zakim, BBC has NickH, Yves

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, BBC has NickH, Yves ←

16:07:10 <Zakim> +NickH, Yves; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH, Yves; got it ←

16:07:21 <Zakim> + +34.92.38.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.92.38.aaii ←

16:07:36 <AndyS> ack AndyS

Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS ←

16:07:39 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q- ←

16:07:39 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←

16:07:41 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←

16:07:45 <JeremyCarroll> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q- ←

16:07:47 <JFB> zakim, JFB is Jean-François Baget

Jean-François Baget: zakim, JFB is Jean-François Baget ←

16:07:49 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q- ←

16:07:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'JFB is Jean-François Baget', JFB

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'JFB is Jean-François Baget', JFB ←

16:07:59 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q- ←

16:08:00 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me ←

16:08:00 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←

16:08:08 <pfps> zakim doesn't appear to be Unicode capable

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim doesn't appear to be Unicode capable ←

16:08:18 <Zakim> +wcandillon

Zakim IRC Bot: +wcandillon ←

16:08:20 <NickH> zakim, BBC has NickH, yvesr

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, BBC has NickH, yvesr ←

16:08:20 <Zakim> NickH was already listed in BBC, NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: NickH was already listed in BBC, NickH ←

16:08:21 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←

16:08:24 <SteveH> q=

Steve Harris: q= ←

16:08:32 <SteveH> queue=

Steve Harris: queue= ←

16:08:37 <mischat> Mischa Tuffield

Mischa Tuffield: Mischa Tuffield ←

16:08:42 <mischat> from Garlik

Mischa Tuffield: from Garlik ←

16:08:49 <FabGandon> Zakim, +34.92.38.aaii is FabGandon

Fabien Gandon: Zakim, +34.92.38.aaii is FabGandon ←

16:08:49 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←

16:08:55 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:08:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2 (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tony, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2 (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, JeremyCarroll ←

16:08:58 <Zakim> ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon ←

16:09:01 <Zakim> BBC has yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: BBC has yvesr ←

16:09:01 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:10:07 <sandro> zakim, Tony is Scott_Bauer

zakim, Tony is Scott_Bauer ←

16:10:07 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer; got it ←

16:10:15 <pfps> chris matheus is on the call as one of the ??

Peter Patel-Schneider: chris matheus is on the call as one of the ?? ←

16:10:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:10:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2 (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, zwu2 (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, ←

16:10:31 <mbrunati> i'm not listed i think

Matteo Brunati: i'm not listed i think ←

16:10:32 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, ??P25, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, tomayac_, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon ←

16:10:34 <Zakim> BBC has yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: BBC has yvesr ←

16:10:34 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:10:39 <zwu2> zakim, zwu2 is Zhe Wu

Zhe Wu: zakim, zwu2 is Zhe Wu ←

16:10:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'zwu2 is Zhe Wu', zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'zwu2 is Zhe Wu', zwu2 ←

16:10:54 <tomayac_> nope

Thomas Steiner: nope ←

16:10:56 <tomayac_> not my hand

Thomas Steiner: not my hand ←

16:10:57 <zwu2> zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu

Zhe Wu: zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu ←

16:10:58 <Zakim> +Zhe_Wu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe_Wu; got it ←

16:11:05 <sandro> zakim, tomayac_ is JeanFrancois

zakim, tomayac_ is JeanFrancois ←

16:11:05 <Zakim> +JeanFrancois; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanFrancois; got it ←

16:11:12 <LeeF> pfps, I think it's just that zakim is not whitespace capable :-)

Lee Feigenbaum: pfps, I think it's just that zakim is not whitespace capable :-) ←

16:11:31 <gavinc> zakim, gavinc is Gavin

Gavin Carothers: zakim, gavinc is Gavin ←

16:11:31 <Zakim> sorry, gavinc, I do not recognize a party named 'gavinc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gavinc, I do not recognize a party named 'gavinc' ←

16:11:32 <tomayac_> done

Thomas Steiner: done ←

16:11:33 <sandro> zakim, ??P25 is tomayac_

zakim, ??P25 is tomayac_ ←

16:11:33 <Zakim> +tomayac_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac_; got it ←

16:11:39 <LeeF> queue=

Lee Feigenbaum: queue= ←

16:11:45 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy? ←

16:11:50 <pfps> we hear the ocean

Peter Patel-Schneider: we hear the ocean ←

16:11:50 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise?

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is making noise? ←

16:11:51 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:11:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, Gavin, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, ??P12, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, ←

16:11:54 <gavinc> zakim, Gavin is gavinc

Gavin Carothers: zakim, Gavin is gavinc ←

16:11:55 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30 (muted), LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon ←

16:11:57 <Zakim> BBC has yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: BBC has yvesr ←

16:11:57 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:11:58 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←

16:11:59 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (4%), Sandro (15%), wcandillon (10%)

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (4%), Sandro (15%), wcandillon (10%) ←

16:12:07 <Zakim> mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Scott_Bauer (41%), Sandro (80%), ??P30 (5%), wcandillon (75%)

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Scott_Bauer (41%), Sandro (80%), ??P30 (5%), wcandillon (75%) ←

16:12:15 <pfps> chris, can you do the 41# trick?

Peter Patel-Schneider: chris, can you do the 41# trick? ←

16:12:19 <cmatheus> sure

Christopher Matheus: sure ←

16:12:29 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←

16:12:32 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←

16:12:33 <sandro> zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus

zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus ←

16:12:33 <Zakim> +cmatheus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cmatheus; got it ←

16:12:33 <pfps> zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus ←

16:12:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P12 as cmatheus, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P12 as cmatheus, pfps ←

16:12:34 <LeeF> zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ??P12 is cmatheus ←

16:12:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P12 as cmatheus, LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P12 as cmatheus, LeeF ←

16:12:39 <webr3> Zakim, i am ??P40

Nathan Rixham: Zakim, i am ??P40 ←

16:12:39 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it ←

16:12:51 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q- ←

16:12:53 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q- ←

16:12:58 <pchampin> whay should I dial to get muted?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: whay should I dial to get muted? ←

16:12:58 <LeeF> q- ??P12

Lee Feigenbaum: q- ??P12 ←

16:13:30 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone ←

16:13:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps ←

16:13:39 <pfps> zakim, who is on the call?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:13:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, gavinc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, cmatheus, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, gavinc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, cmatheus, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, ←

16:13:40 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:13:43 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon, webr3, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon, webr3, AxelPolleres ←

16:13:46 <Zakim> BBC has yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: BBC has yvesr ←

16:13:46 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:13:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, gavinc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, cmatheus, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Scott_Bauer, Ivan, [Garlik] (muted), Azimmerm (muted), davidwood, PatH, gavinc, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AndyS, cmatheus, Sandro, Zhe_Wu (muted), Guus, Alex_Hall, ←

16:13:52 <Zakim> ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon, webr3, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JeremyCarroll (muted), Souri, tomayac_, ??P30, LeeF, Dieter, JeanFrancois, corby, cygri, manu1, BBC, FabGandon, wcandillon, webr3, AxelPolleres ←

16:13:54 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

David Wood: Zakim, next agendum ←

16:13:55 <Zakim> BBC has yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: BBC has yvesr ←

16:13:55 <Zakim> [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has SteveH, mischat ←

16:14:26 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask about how to get Wiki login

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about how to get Wiki login ←

16:14:50 <LeeF> JeremyCarroll, I just used my W3C login -- does that not work for you?

Lee Feigenbaum: JeremyCarroll, I just used my W3C login -- does that not work for you? ←

16:15:01 <gavinc> Doesn't work for me either :(

Gavin Carothers: Doesn't work for me either :( ←

16:15:13 <JeremyCarroll> We joined yesterday

Jeremy Carroll: We joined yesterday ←

16:15:27 <LeeF> Ah

Lee Feigenbaum: Ah ←

16:15:33 <phayes3> Jeremy, it takes a while. Keep trying.

Patrick Hayes: Jeremy, it takes a while. Keep trying. ←

16:15:42 <JeremyCarroll> ok

Jeremy Carroll: ok ←

16:13:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome and introductions" taken up [from davidwood]

<sandro> Summary: David, Guus, and Sandro introduce themselves

16:13:59 <NickH> zakim, BBC has NickH, yvesr

16:13:59 <Zakim> yvesr was already listed in BBC, NickH

16:14:01 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

16:14:41 <sandro> davidwood: We've heard a lot of voices so far, so lets not go around the room

16:14:55 <sandro> davidwood: Hopefully everyone has done their wiki+email introductions

16:15:09 <sandro> davidwood: I'm David Wood, co-chairing this group with Guus.

16:15:15 <sandro> Guus: Hi, I'm Guus

16:15:32 <sandro> davidwood: We also have Ivan Herman and Sandro Hawke

16:15:49 <pfps>  all:  please, no music on hold (ever) and turn off cell phone ringers

16:15:50 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

16:15:50 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, davidwood

16:15:56 <davidwood> q?

16:16:00 <sandro> sandro: Hi, I'm the guy who was doing most of the identifying people on the phone

16:16:06 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, unmute me

16:16:06 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted

16:16:22 <sandro> JeremyCarroll: For me and Gavin, the login on the wiki doesn't work.

16:16:30 <mbrunati> zakim, mute me

16:16:30 <Zakim> sorry, mbrunati, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:16:46 <sandro> sandro: please email

16:16:51 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me

16:16:51 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted

16:16:51 <mbrunati> yeah, i'm calling throw fr number

16:17:01 <JeremyCarroll> q-

16:17:01 <AndyS>  Also: #sysreq for infrastructure problems - they are very helpful  They had to incant magic for me to login to wiki (now works)

16:17:10 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

16:17:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WG meeting schedule, especially telecon times and first ftf." taken up [from davidwood]

<sandro> Summary: Teleconferences are Wednesdays 11am US/Eastern, for up to 90 minutes (but will usually be about 60).  First face-to-face is 13-14 April in Amsterdam.

16:17:14 <sandro> davidwood: If anyone else has wiki trouble, please email sandro@w3.org after the call.

16:17:32 <Zakim> -AndyS

16:17:38 <davidwood>  Wiki: http://dristachi.site/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Main_Page

16:17:45 <sandro> davidwood: Teleconferences are at this time, every week.      We're going to try to document everything on the wiki.  Please use it.

16:18:06 <sandro> davidwood: First Face-to-Face scheduled, at CWI in Amsterdam, on 13-14 April

16:18:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

16:18:23 <sandro> http://dristachi.site/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1

16:18:28 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

16:18:28 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

16:18:38 <davidwood> q?

16:18:42 <sandro> davidwood: You are not required to attend, but "good standing" does require attending one-in-three

16:18:48 <AxelPolleres> as for the F2F, will remote access/attendance on the phone be possible?

16:18:58 <ivan> There are already some details on the F2F on the wiki: http://dristachi.site/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F1

16:19:07 <sandro> guus: We plan to do the main technical work in the first year, but the main bulk, I expect will be in the first year.   By 2012 we should be largely done.

16:19:21 <phayes3> Can you clarify what percentage of F2F attendance is needed to keep good standing? Missing one of one seems like 100% :-(

16:19:35 <sandro> davidwood: So that makes the first face to face meetings particularly important.   If at all possible, please attend at least one of these first two.

16:20:02 <AlexHall> bad standing = miss 2 out of 3 consecutive f2f

16:20:09 <phayes3> missing the first seems to guarantee mssing one of three, no?

16:20:11 <sandro> sandro: I don't thikn we'll need to use goodstanding/badstanding.

16:20:15 <phayes3> OK, whatever.

16:20:17 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

16:20:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "WG procedures (e.g. scribes, use of wiki, mailing lists and editing tools)" taken up [from davidwood]

<sandro> summary: we'll use the wiki and mailing lists a lot; someone needs to scribe each meeting (see the schedule), tools for spec-writing TBD

16:20:18 <AndyS> +1 to AxelPolleres -- and split site has worked well in SPARQL-WG - more people attend

16:20:35 <AxelPolleres> q? to ask about remote attendance/facilities

16:20:40 <davidwood> Scribe assignments are posted at:

16:20:40 <davidwood>   http://dristachi.site/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Scribes

16:20:42 <sandro> davidwood: We have a plan to use a rotating list of scribes

16:20:48 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask about remote attendance/facilities

16:21:02 <davidwood> Please check the list to see when you are scheduled to scribe.  Let the chairs and the alternate scribe know if you cannot scribe on your assigned day.

16:21:16 <sandro> We'll try that list.     If you can't scribe on that day, please talk to the chairs AND the alternate.

16:22:04 <sandro> davidwood: use 61# to mute yourself, and 60# to unmute yourself

16:22:35 <pfps> putting up an etiquette for phone meetings would be useful

16:22:37 <sandro> davidwood: We'd like to use the wiki fairly heavily.    Mediawiki search isn't all the wonderful.    Do try to link pages in, since search isn't great.

16:22:50 <ivan> zakim, mute me

16:22:50 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

16:22:54 <sandro> davidwood: We'll talk about editing tools.     Feel free to use wiki

16:23:14 <sandro> davidwood: mailing lists:   public-rdf-wg@w3.org will be the mail list for our discussions.  Please use that list for most things.

16:24:02 <sandro> davidwood: Also: member-rdf-wg@w3.org for W3C-Member-Confidential materials

16:25:01 <pfps> who *doesn't* have their phone number on the web already?

16:25:06 <davidwood> q?

16:25:10 <ivan> :-)

16:25:15 <sandro> sandro: I find it's good for phone numbers, that sort of personal details

16:25:35 <ivan> q+

16:25:35 <Souri> +1 to Axel

16:25:43 <davidwood> q?

16:25:43 <sandro> AxelPolleres: For the SPARQL Face-to-face meetings, we had a good experience with split meetings using a videoconferencing link.

16:25:49 <AxelPolleres> ack

16:25:52 <AxelPolleres> ack me

16:25:52 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about remote attendance/facilities

16:25:54 <ivan> ack ivan

16:25:54 <Azimmerm> +1 to Axel

16:25:56 <gavinc> +1 to Axel

16:26:17 <sandro> ivan: We don't have the right equipment at CWI, so this wont work for the first F2F in April.

16:26:23 <sandro> davidwood: We'll explore it for later ones.

16:26:32 <AxelPolleres> ivan, but there'll be dial-in, right?

16:26:34 <pfps> I think that video splitting is not a great idea for the first F2F - it would work better later

16:26:54 <sandro> davidwood: To get started on schedule, we needed to schedule F2F1 right away.

16:27:03 <davidwood> q?

16:27:09 <AxelPolleres> +1 to pfps, for 1st f2f it might be a bad idea.

16:27:16 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

16:27:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "WG production schedule (review of major dates and deliverables in the Charter)" taken up [from davidwood]

<sandro> Summary: We have a lot to do, and most of it in the next year

16:27:20 <sandro> ivan: I've asked about dialin; it should be possible; not set yet.

16:27:33 <sandro> davidwood: Our schedule is fairly aggressive.

16:27:34 <ivan> zakim, mute me

16:27:34 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

16:27:51 <sandro> davidwood: Working Draft in *MAY* on our milestones.

16:28:03 <sandro> davidwood: Primer and test cases a bit later.

16:28:17 <sandro> davidwood: We'll talk about task forces later this call

16:29:07 <phayes3> RDF is so simple, should only take a couple of weeks.

16:29:09 <sandro> sandro: How long will today's meeting be?

16:29:20 <LeeF> Is that every week or just today?

16:29:43 <sandro> davidwood: targetting 75 minutes in general.   Today we may wrap up within the hour.

16:30:05 <sandro> Guus: I'm hoping we'll regularly finish within an hour, but we want to be able to extend.

16:30:16 <davidwood> Zakim, next agendum

16:30:16 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Establishment of initial task forces.  We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON" taken up [from davidwood]

<sandro> Summary: We are starting three task forces, to address some of the major work areas.  Please continue via email and wiki.

16:30:29 <Guus> q?

16:30:41 <manu1> Subgraphs == Named Graphs/Graph Literals ?

16:30:53 <davidwood> http://dristachi.site/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests

16:31:00 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

16:31:00 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

16:31:11 <ivan> q+

16:31:12 <sandro> davidwood: Ivan looked at people's introductions to get a first guess at which TFs they might be interested in

16:31:52 <sandro> ivan: Many people on that list, I know have other interests/knowledge -- I *just* used the wiki introductions.

16:32:23 <LeeF> sandro +1

16:32:30 <LeeF> ack ivan

16:33:00 <sandro> sandro: I don't think it's worth editing this page; instead lets do a page per task force with names on it.

16:33:17 <phayes3> Damn, I just edited it.

16:33:34 <yvesr> us too :)

16:33:45 <sandro> Guus: All TF communications go through list, and most docussions on telecon.   We are one group.

16:33:45 <davidwood> No harm done

16:34:13 <sandro> Guus: But TFs can schedule additional telecons as necessary.   But all decisions are group decision.

16:34:27 <phayes3> Will TF discussions be visibleto the rest of the WG, or will there be a need to schedule reports-back?

16:34:34 <sandro> Guus: So you don't need to join the TF just because you care.

16:34:47 <phayes3> Ah, already answered, sorry.

16:35:05 <sandro> davidwood: Some TFs will take more time than others.       So it can figure out if it needs telecons

16:35:43 <AndyS> Are we marking email? e.g. [JSON] -- I find it helps

16:35:51 <phayes3> +1 webr3

16:35:54 <davidwood> AndyS. +1

16:36:01 <zwu2> +1 to AndyS

16:36:08 <pchampin> +1 to AndyS

16:36:08 <phayes3> LeeF: cut/paste works

16:36:51 <sandro> Guus: David and I will alternate chairing.   Next week, lets go through the three task forces, see if we've identified the right material, and see how we start moving discussion forward.   And then see if there's a need for a main point of contact for the TF.

16:36:59 <mischat> +1 webr3

16:37:12 <sandro> davidwood: Nathan raises the dependency between the TFs.

16:37:19 <sandro> Guus: Let's wait until next week.

16:37:36 <ivan> q+

16:38:08 <sandro> Guus: These three issues are not the only issues in the group, of course

16:38:12 <ivan> q-

16:38:17 <phayes3> Side remark, we could spend a month discussing what to discuss. We could just get on with it and fix the problems when they arise.

16:38:17 <sandro> Guus: I'll make pages for each task force

16:38:19 <ivan> q+

16:38:35 <webr3> phayes +1

16:38:56 <sandro> davidwood: everyone, please sign up for whichever task forces you are particularly interested in.   zero or more.

16:39:14 <sandro> davidwood: We need to make sure we have the right mix of skillsets in the groups.

16:39:25 <davidwood> q?

16:39:26 <Guus> q?

16:39:29 <sandro> davidwood: We need to know if we need to invite in some more experts.

16:39:32 <ivan> ack ivan

16:40:07 <sandro> ivan: Those task forces do not cover everything we are supposed to do.   We have some jobs, not even the time permitting ones.

16:40:23 <mbrunati> :)

16:40:30 <JFB> +1

16:40:31 <sandro> sandro: for instance deprecation

16:40:33 <LeeF> RDF Primer

16:40:35 <phayes3> Will all work be done by TFs? Or will the WG have some tasks to do?

16:40:39 <sandro> ivan: mistakes, errata, cleanup, IRIs

16:40:39 <yvesr> one additional task force with 'everything else'?

16:40:57 <sandro> guus: a number of cleanup measures.   maybe a cleanup TF.

16:41:11 <LeeF> There are a bunch of different skill sets involved in "clean up", so I don't think it should be lumped together.

16:41:16 <sandro> q?

16:41:29 <yvesr> LeeF: +1

16:41:38 <phayes3> repeat question: is the idea that all actual work must have a TF to do it?

16:42:02 <sandro> davidwood: Let's take the week to see how to slice up the charter into TFs.

16:42:04 <phayes3> Or will the WG as a whole be doing some actual technical work?

16:42:28 <sandro> Guus: Yeah, Lee's point is part of why I don't think we need TFs for everything.    Some work wont be in TFs.

16:42:51 <Guus> yes, that's my view

16:43:04 <sandro> davidwood: initial items: establish these three TFs, and figure out how to break up other items -- discuss in email.

16:43:16 <davidwood> q?

16:43:17 <phayes3> I have an uncomfortable feeling that the TF/WG dynamics might absorb a lot of our energy unless we are aware of the potential danger.

16:43:31 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask on meeting times

16:43:44 <gavinc> +1 Graphs

16:43:45 <pchampin> +1 for [GRAPHS]

16:43:52 <FabGandon> +1 for GRAPHS

16:43:54 <manu1> +1 for Graphs

16:44:13 <sandro> sandro: is there some simple tag name we can use for the 3rd tf, like "graphs", knowing full well that's just a tag, and not really the name of the problem.

16:44:17 <webr3> I suggest: with cleanup items, make a list of them, people can take actions to do the very first run at it, then that'll get the ball rolling quickly - who know, somebody might get it right first time - each cleanup item == 1 task ?

16:44:30 <davidwood> Mark messages [JSON], [TURTLE], [GRAPH]

16:44:37 <JFB> +1 for graphs

16:44:44 <sandro> s/GRAPH/GRAPHS/

16:45:06 <davidwood> q?

16:45:09 <JeremyCarroll> ack

16:45:16 <davidwood> ack JeremyCarroll

16:45:17 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask on meeting times

16:45:52 <sandro> PatH: marking messages with a label, as long as you can mark with several labels.    Some things will cross labels.

16:45:57 <sandro> q+

16:46:10 <sandro> davidwood: No objection to multiple markings

16:46:30 <sandro> Guus: agreed, but we need some way to subdivide the work.

16:46:44 <sandro> Guus: all discussions in eye of full WG

16:46:45 <AndyS> [TTL] [JS] [G] -- just as helpers (no one remembers to mark every time .... until after the message is sent)

16:47:10 <sandro> JeremyCarroll: procedural -- will we discuss when to have meetings?

16:47:47 <manu1> Why don't we figure out when to have the meetings over http://doodle.com/

16:47:50 <sandro> sandro: The chairs did this by fiat, without making it open for discussion

16:48:01 <manu1> Once we figure out who is in which Task Force

16:48:02 <sandro> Guus: the options were very, very limited.

16:48:05 <webr3> manu1, it's already decided afaik [at this time, on zakim]

16:48:09 <pfps> although WG chairs may have to make such decisions, it would have been nice to have some information feeding into the decision

16:48:09 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me

16:48:09 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted

16:48:16 <davidwood> q?

16:48:20 <sandro> q-

16:48:21 <davidwood> ack sandro

16:48:42 <sandro> Guus: For first f2f we had to do the same -- for future ones we'll set up straw polls

16:48:51 <AndyS> q+

16:48:57 <sandro> davidwood: That's it for today's agenda

16:48:59 <davidwood> ack AndyS

16:49:03 <manu1> webr3 - huh, thanks - I missed that.

16:49:05 <sandro> AndyS: regrets for next week.